1) He is unproven. He’s only been a coach with official positional responsibility for one season. While the New England TEs were impressive this year, and Brian deserves credit, the lion’s share of the reason/credit belongs elsewhere (Brady, Belichick, Brady again, the innate talent of Gronk and Hernandez)
2) Coaching nepotism rarely works out. If he were brought in, Brian would immediately be the heir presumptive (even more so if Kirk is clearing out positional coaches for him). This causes friction with the other, more established coaches and his immediate supervisor, whomever the offensive coordinator turns out to be. If there is disagreement/issues between Brian and the OC, how secure do you think the OC will feel in trying to impose his will/thoughts if Brian can just run to daddy? Kirk would always have the ultimate decision in event of differing opinions, but it’s scary to think what happens if there is inherent bias towards one side in any such disagreement.
especially if neither Woods and/or Raih are elevated to official positional coaches. It will be, effectively, Kirk clearing people out of the way so that his son can take over for him, eventually. I’m not a fan of these moves.
I think it might be simpler for a former QB coach to move to WR.
Doc and Morehouse made a good point when the mentioned that OCs generally work with the OL or QB because those are the positions which influence the offense the most. Giving Soup QB and OC duties wouldn’t be overly outrageous while Riah moves on to WR coach.
KOK wasn’t the QB coach when he first got here, that was Chuck Long. Granted his work ethic doomed the experiment, but that doesn’t mean that KF wouldn’t have Raih coach the QBs while Soup handles the WRs
It is Soup to QBs. I get that you need the OC and QB on the same page. However, I would think that there are so many mechanics involved in throwing that you need someone with experience in that specific area. I think the same point applies to other position coaches, but it just seems so much a larger part of the QB coaches job.
but he’s done a decent job with the Oline. And has ZERO experience coaching the Dline/defenses generally. I’d rather have Woods coaching the D-line.
And, though this is still speculation so caveats galore, I really don’t like the idea of bringing in a guy with exactly one year of positional coaching responsibility whose only qualification is his last name as the O-line coach and the dauphin presumptive.
If KF is the OL guru wouldn't Brian be very familiar with O-Line theory.
I mean he did play center under KF and has probably been shooting the shit about Olines with his dad for forever. I don’t think Kirk would put in a position where failure was an option or if he didn’t think his son was ready. Having his 1 son being the position coach for another son, that has to be something Kirk would revel in.
Brian’s current (former?) boss, Bill Belichick, basically grew up in the office of his coach father.
BB does NOT hand out gimme jobs. He gave Brian the TE job because he thought he’d earned it. Being a Ferentz may have gotten him in the door, but he has had to prove himself.
Also, folks are discounting Reese as a coach generally
If you were in Iowa City during his time at IC West…man. That program was a DUMPSTER FIRE before he got there. total dumpster fire. Epic national embarrassment. I think he’s likely a lot more versatile than folks are giving him credit for.
I wonder if there’s a chance soup gets the OL and we have a dedicated QB coach.
that’s supposed to read something about paul bermister being amazing.
but seriously, i lived it and played it. West didn’t win a game for like 6 years, yet when i went there i was part of back-to-back state championship teams, and when Morgan left it all came crashing down.
Clash of the Titans, for 6 years the 2 best teams in the state were in Iowa City.
I actually got in a brief minor altercation on the field at halftime of the battle for the boot when the West flag guy wanted to harass the band (I was one of the drum majors). I imagine we are known to one another. Or were, 15 years ago.
and the City High coach bitched and moaned about it all year. All the while conveniently ignoring that she had imported a state champion diver from Spain a fewer years prior.
I don't remember much about City's soccer program, but I definitely hated the IC West program.
I respected the shit out of them, but as a Muskie I had no choice but to hate them for consistently keeping us out of the state tournament and being dicks about it.
That we ran the “drugs are a great equalizer, joining rich, poor, nerd and burnout” 4-page joint feature. THAT was a fun critique on Monday morning. Rarely have I been so glad to be in no way involved with a project.
Generationally, y'all are about 15 years younger than me (6 degrees of separation)
But it is neat – and sometimes really weird – posting about high school/college stuff here because you start to bump into people that actually know you – Iowa isn’t that big.
I’ve chatted with a few of you on here before about Iowa high school jazz competitions in the late 70s – I was the guitar player for Roosevelt from 77-80 – and I remember walking across Iowa’s campus as a sophomore in 81-82 and have people come up to me and say “Hey, aren’t you (fill in the blank?) – you guys had a great band!”
I worked the kitchen at Burge for pocket money, serving food, and I had people recognize me who were standing in the serving line… the hilarious thing was I didn’t recognize most of them because they went to small town schools and would see us compete at the festivals but in a different division than theirs, but from 77-80 Roosevelt, Hoover, and Valley had very, very good jazz bands and we were very competitive with each other… it was funny, everyone hated Hoover – mostly because Ron Bantani, their band director, had them playing the same three songs the entire festival season to the point they had them memorized so of course they played them great. Jansen, our director, insisted that we play different sets and actually Learn something in the process, so there was some friction there. Hoover beat us in the 79 finals doing that same three songs thing – we were a little too ambitious (shrug). Anyway, we were friends with the Valley band as we had a common enemy (Hoover) and the Valley kids didn’t act like huge dicks when we played against each other. They just wanted to hear good music.
We didn’t do State in ‘80 because our whole marching went to Florida during Spring Break and State Jazz Championships were right after – I think we would have won anyway, even with a week off, we had an awesome ensemble that year, but c’lest la vie.
If you were in high school jazz band in the late 70s, and went to the competitions, you know who I am :)
and I remember that feature (we subscribed to several eastern Iowa high school pubs).
Also, we used to drool over west high’s style (very hipster- it was hipster before hipster- at the time) and enjoyed a lot about the city high paper too (especially the writing).
I went to Journalism Camp at the University of Iowa the summer before my senior year (yup, j-nerd with a focus on photojournalism though I was a writer at the time) and we were all drooling over several papers from around the midwest and both Iowa City public schools were among them.
is of an encounter at a fraternity conference. My roommate in my chapter was news editor of the campus newspaper. I made some references to my high school newspaper and its high quality. He sort of laughed me off. Then we were at a conference in Lincoln, and a guy from GW said, “wait. You wrote on the Little Hawk? we loved that paper.” It was weird. we rolled up to the NHSPA conference in san francisco, and one of our columnists had groupies….
WSS had a nice layout; I was more conservative. The runner-up for exec basically wanted the LH to look like the Utne Reader; I was glad the other guy got it. Because I am boring.
That feature was amazing. Man, was that an expletive-filled critique.
Wilson played LB in college, and has never coached defensive backs, at any level. Why the sudden change? Unless he’s really the Special Teams coach with a secondary responsibility as the Secondary coach, which will really be Parker.
but not this late in their respective careers. Wilson has been a defensive, and LB coach, for a LONG time. I know coaches sometimes have to move around (see e.g. Kaz) but this just seems odd given how long they’ve been doing what they’ve been doing, to suddenly have everyone move one seat to their left.
I'm actually wondering if some of the current coaches agreed to stick around until next year before leaving
(they’ve worked this hard at continuity, I don’t think they want Iowa to have to start all over and endure a 1998-99 again) so I’m wondering if the coaches that were leaving were moved to less permanent positions, while the ones who will be here were put in positions that KF thought they’d excel at, where they could do well long term (like 6-8 years).
what with the rumors that Reese Morgan was going to retire soon and Wilson, presumably, being less than thrilled about getting passed over.
In the On Iowa podcast, Morehouse mentioned how this is kind of Ferentz’s last shot, he has to get these hires right or he really risks the same fate that befell Hayden in his last years (best assistants gone, replacements nowhere near their level). Maybe, however, it is a multi-year/step (this year and next) process.
But much like Vince McMahon, KF hates it when his surprises are spoiled, so he swerved us all. Except because he’s Kirk Ferentz his swerve was the most vanilla swerve possible, going right back to what we all expected two months ago.
I think. I don’t know.
My head hurts. I’m going to go get some ice cream.
I mean seriously, thanks for getting someone like Bradley. Thanks for thinking outside the box. Thanks for delaying the announcement of an internal promotion during recruiting season until after signing day… Thanks for getting paid millions to be average. Hell, just make Ross WB the new OC and let’s be done with it and admit Iowa State is the better team. Fooking pissed and nauseous! I want KF to retire!!
I don’t mind it. Sometimes its best to get “your guy” settled in right away when talking about recruits. Maybe KF thinks it was best to hold off on hirings BEFORE signing day because that could changes some of the recruit’s minds.
By all accounts Tom Bradley said he wasn’t going to be coaching this year, only a head coaching job. We signed 24 recruits, it was a very solid recruiting class in general and I don’t recall us missing out on anybody we thought we would get, besides Curry but that was more Kaz I am assuming. We don’t know what the process was, maybe he was really looking for an outside hire and it didn’t work out. Maybe the position coach changes had to go into effect for it to work out, and could have been contingent on whether Brian Ferentz was going to come back to coach the OL. If we would have lost a bunch of recruits because of the uncertainty I would agree with him, but alas we didn’t.
I was congratulating YOUR passive aggressive troll.
Tyger1147, I am not being passive aggressive. I staunchly disagree with your view of Iowa football, and the occasionally arrogant approaches you employ to make your points. Fact is, you hate Kirk Ferentz. And you can’t move beyond that, and your posts have become trollish. WE ALL GET YOU HATE IOWA HEAD FOOTBALL COACH KIRK FERENTZ. And that you also think people who disagree with you are idiots who couldn’t come close to grasping the D1 WORLD OF ATHLETIC STUDS that you have a complete mastery of. I am not passive aggressive. Your views are narrow and lack creativity, and are always void of giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I am not passive aggressive, at all. But I do know that discourse over a message board usually doesn’t accomplish much, given you have already declared: “fuck them”. Whelp, fuck you tyger, take your troll shit elsewhere.
but he does post some interesting stuff sometimes.
I’m not a fan of his declarations of people being “passive-aggressive” or “apologists”, but he isn’t a complete troll jerk. Those people tend to be Nebraska or Ohio State fans.
Is he off limits to contact? I am not sure if this is a “silent period.” However, if it is, given that the OC and position coach he was expecting are both gone, I have trouble thinking he would sign here.
So your theory is that Auburn is out to get us, or what?
Anyway, you aren’t even right. He’s had offers from both for quite some time, and when the visit happens is on the kid as much as anything. Even if they didn’t, how is deciding to offer him late classless? Until a kid is signed he’s fair game We offer kids at the last second all the time, including kids who are committed to other schools.
Really, I think most of us realize this was the most likely outcome once Norm retired. That it took this long is surprising and I’d be somewhat interested to find out why.
Phil is clearly a good positional coach. See Morehouse’s piece:
Parker, 48, has put 12 former Hawkeyes in the NFL. Cornerback Shaun Prater will make it 13 when he’s drafted in April. Safety Jordan Bernstine could raise that to 14 if he makes a squad.
The timing of this abso-fucking-lutely makes no sense what so ever!!
As of now, the program looks like a dickless monkey trying to fuck a rubber ducky in the middle of a gotdamn rainstorm. What’s next, Brian Ferentz named OC while Soup is switched to coaching the O-line?
But this kind of coaching shuffle does, at least, provide some fresh perspective at the positional coaching level which could make a difference going forward.
If this is the sum total of what happens (plus Brian Ferentz is brought in, and Raih and Woods are elevated), then there will be absolutely no “new” blood in the program, no fresh or different way of looking at things. And simply moving people around won’t fix that, it will only mask it.
Any of these moves, individually, I don’t necessarily have a problem with, but it’s a case where the total is less than the parts. There are some larger, structural issues I think with Iowa football right now, and this does nothing but offer more of the same.
I hear you. But we aren’t privy to all the shit, man. I was pondering above if this isn’t a two part shakeup. Maybe guys agreed to stay another year and we’ll get more next year.
But I read “abosolutely no ‘new’ blood in the program” and about slapped my forehead because it hadn’t occurred to me. This is KF we’re talking about. Of COURSE he didn’t change any more than he absolutely HAD to. He’s KF.
Plus, it was an indirect reference with the intended meaning of "I hope our knees don't blow up and leave our faces in the dirt" or something like that.
People don't change because outside forces want them to
KF is who he is. To misuse a phrase, love it or leave it. Really, if you claim to like KF you take his perceived faults with his perceived strengths. Try to change a guy too much and you fuck him up beyond repair and he’s no longer the guy you wanted in the first place anyway.
I don't mind Phil getting promoted to the top chair.
I feel a lot better about it now than I would have if it had been right away.
I fucking HATE the staff reshuffle at the other positions, though. Just terrible. Not only are we going to have a new DL coach working with the weakest position group on the team, one that needs immediate improvement for the team not to have a completely horrible season next year, but that new coach is going to be a senior citizen who has never coached on the defensive side of the ball in his entire life.
Well, I guess he did develop Chad Hennings back in the early ’80s…
“Now make sure you backpedal for about 25 yards even when you start 7 yards off the receiver. Remember, he’s gonna take at least a 6-step drop so don’t worry about any quick routes.”
Meh, I guess I'm just not as angry about it as others.
Seems to me that demanding a coach have inside knowledge of a position before taking a job is unnecessary. Morgan was a LB in college but never coached on the defensive side of the ball. As Ross noted above, Ferentz was a LB and excelled as an OL coach and Soup played defensive back before becoming a highly regarded WR coach.
These guys have massive football knowledge, I don’t think it’s fair to assume that they have to coach only at positions at which they have experience.
As others have noted, this is the worst of all possible worlds.
Not only to we take a wrecking ball to one of the few positive qualities that Iowa football had over virtually every other major program, the vaunted STAFF CONTINUITY, but now we don’t even get any fresh blood and new ideas to shake up the stagnant pool that is the Iowa football offices.
Meh is precisely the correct adjective to describe this.
You said that staff continuity was a selling point and a positive
And then say that not bringing in a new staff is bad. Promotion is continuity. And if you like the staff continuity (which you say), why do you say we need to shake up the stagnant pool that is our coaching staff?
How many new coordinators want to work with the last guy's staff?
If the goal is to maintain staff continuity, internal promotion is likely the only viable option. I think the idea of continuity may just be mutually exclusive.
I don’t have a problem with the Parker promotion, I really don’t (I just think it could have, and should have, been announced a month ago). But I do object to simply re-arranging the entire staff, just to not bring in anyone “new”
and that’s the key. My girlfriend has worked at her company for almost ten years, most of them with a lot of the same people. Just because she’s been managing the sales force doesn’t mean she’s equally qualified to handle the IT department instead.
It seems to me that coaching linebackers isn’t all that different from coaching DBs. Wilson filled in as DC when Norm wasn’t available, I’m sure he is well acquainted with the responsibilities of both groups in the Iowa Defense.
so it’s not like he was suddenly coaching the defensive backs.
Look, I’m hopeful that Wilson is able to transition to his new responsibility. But I’m doubtful. People don’t get more flexible (either physically or to new ideas) with age.
rupert’s point (to the extent he ever actually advocates a position) is that there should be a presumption that they’ll be successful with new responsibilities in the same company because they’ve been with each other for a long time. I’m saying that just because you’ve worked in one department of a firm/company for a long time (and developed expertise in that division), it doesn’t mean you’re competent to handle another division just because it’s in the same company
I mean, nothing will be an exact match. But it’s why you also don’t see the head of corporate at a law firm suddenly, after a decade or more, suddenly get moved to head of litigation. At least, not a firm that’s going to survive
I don't think I ever presumed any level of success with my statement.
The original statement was about continuity. I don’t find continuity is necessarily broken with moving people around to different position responsibility
The point of continuity is that you have the same people
in the same positions performing the same functions for a long period of time, allowing people them and those around them to become accustomed to their roles.
They have clearly taken the snow globe of Iowa football and turned it upside down.
I think most of the positional coaches have been rather successful at their primary responsibility (Wilson with the LBs, Morgan with the Oline). Why move them? Doing so might make things better, but there is a higher degree of probability that it will fail/not be successful
Outside sales, while your girlfirend is good at it, is probably something completely different than going from one side of the line of scrimmage to the other. And Morgan has been coaching FB a lot longer, unless you’re Morgan’s age and your girlfriend is too, than your girlfriend has been employed at the company.
Morgan is one of approximatley 1100 FBS level football assistants in the country. I don’t know about you, but am in the top 1100 people in the country in my line of work.
If Phil isn’t coaching DBs, and Soup isn’t coaching WRs, that will be two changes that are not staying with perceived strengths.
To a certain extent, so would be changing Wilson’s and Morgan’s position responsibilities.
And, if the only true “outside” addition is Brian Ferentz, then this does smack of rearranging a lot of shit just to bring him in. I’m not sure I like that. (I want to bring Brian back into the program, but I’m not sure everyone else has to play musical chairs to make it happen.)
I wasn’t arguing that it couldn’t be done. Of course it can.
I’m just arguing that they share very few similar techniques.
I understand it’s en vogue to read as much as possible into every comment I make, though.
I just don’t want people continuing to say he’ll be fine because they share similar techniques. He can be fine for a variety of other reasons, but that’s not one of them. Fair enough?
the key is that at this point in their careers, Wilson and Morgan have been coaching their respective positions for over a decade. That is a long time for things to get ingrained, and former knowledge to atrophy. It’s one thing to jump around from position to position as a young coach, you almost have to be flexible in order to get the job, it’s another thing entirely later in your career. That’s true of any job, the entry-level guy may jump around departments a bit, he has to in order to be hired and fill whatever need there is; but over time, you develop expertise in a particular field and tend to narrow your focus, which makes it harder to jump to a different department entirely later on in your career. Now, Wilson coached defensive backs at Rhode Island from 1996-1998 and Morgan has coached a lot of different positions earlier in their careers. There’s hope that they retained some expertise at these, but it’s a pretty big gamble. I hope it pays off but I’m not optimistic.
Norm was DC and LB’s. So is Phil P going to ONLY be DC and not do any position work? The great thing about replacing Norm, to my mind, was that it might free up a spot for someone to concentrate solely on QB or ST’s. But if Phil P is not going to do a position, that’s less of an option.
I admit surprise at Morgan moving to DL, and Woods not getting that. Woods to LB makes sense, though. Campbell to OC seems destiny, but couldn’t he still do WR’s as OC? Then you have Raih at QB—unless I’ve already run out of room for him. Wow, never thought we’d have so many changes even if we didn’t promote from within. Crazy.
And what was with the delay? Did we get turned down a bunch a times?
These are obviously the "different scenarios" that KF was talking about
in the signing day presser. He clearly did not go out and interview anyone during the month and a half after Norm announced his retirement. He might have made a feeler to call to Herrmann after the Super Bowl, and upon being shot down, immediately defaulted to fill.
If we want to make assumptions, then maybe Ferentz didn’t want to derail his signing day PC with coaching news.
As for the delay, it could simply be that Ferentz wanted to be diligent in his search and reinforce his confidence in the gut reaction that everyone had (Parker to DC).
I’m with Hoya in that I think Parker should have been announced earlier. Even still, announcement today doesn’t necessarily equate to failure to hire a LB coach away from an NFL team.
And hes not the only one. I honestly cant reach a more rational conclusion that KF tried & was rejected.
Unfortunatly neither can anyone else.
This makes KF & the program look weak.
There is logic in there. In fact, one can come up with this thought ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT of reading any rumors. Crazy, eh? How what one says could actually be the exact opposite of what is actually true.
Who said anything about anything working perfectly?
I don’t recall any person saying or implying that the logic was infallible, except for you implying that others said it.
It’s simply one chain of logic that I was trying to point out could have existed independently of rumors (or at the very least, not ENTIRELY on) when you stated that it was.
Please, just read what I write and respond to that.
That turned down the job. There is zero reason that it took this long otherwise. Also agree with the Reese Morgan confusion stated above. Just seems like it won’t get the job done.
I wanted Tom Bradley as DC, but I liked Parker more than Hermann. He’s been a great position coach for years and spent over a decade studying under Norm, I think he’s more than earned a shot.
Morgan to d-line is weird, but I think going from offensive line to defensive line coach is actually a pretty smooth tradition (Kaz was a former offensive lineman and seemed to handle the transition well). It’s not like LeVar Woods was experienced with the d-line either and that was the other alternative. I also really like the idea of Brian Ferentz coaching the o-line. He was a smart player, he seemed to impress the Pats a lot in his time there, and it’s hard to think of a better pedigree for a future offensive line coach than Kirk Ferentz’s son.
The Wilson thing is a little weirder since he’s been with the linebackers for so long, but he is a former defensive back, and I would guess that Parker can help him out a lot (while also freeing Wilson to do more with special teams). And it frees up Woods to coach a position he’s more familiar with, assuming that go that direction (though it is odd that he spent the last several months telling recruits that he was coaching the d-line).
When threads get this long and I’m skimming over some people I’m not interested in hearing shout back and forth, I tend miss your comments because I don’t have your avatar to quickly pick out.
Its OK, ladies and gents. We won’t know if these moves work until we see a product on the field. You can yell until you’re blue in the face, but we just won’t know until fall.
Things may get better, worse or stay about the same. But chill the fuck out.
And I really apologize to everyone on this thread if it sounds like I’m freaking out over this. I’m not, I’m really not. I’m just decidedly underwhelmed (so far).
I have no problem with Parker to DC, I just don’t know why it took this long. I’m more apprehensive about moving some of the positional coaches around, unless this is, as someone else suggested, a way to move the short-timers out of the way for people like Woods to take over a “natural” coaching spot.
If their panties are in a wad because they want to tell you how to react in your fandom, fuck ‘em. If someone wants to say why they think your conclusions are wrong, fine (although, any counselor would tell you that trying to rationalize with someone during an overly emotional response is usually in vain). But anyone that’s telling you you shouldn’t act a cerain way is dumb.
Observing my own advice, I should make sure that you ARE implying that I’m being hypocritical. Is that the case? Are you saying I’m being hypocritical?
Nobody told Hoya how to act except you. What we were doing was having a discussion. Hoya apologized (unnecessarily) because (as I understand it) he felt he was being misinterpreted. What you then did was tell him how to act. While on your silly little rant that does nothing to foster further discussion you told him “Don’t apologize…anyone that’s telling you you shouldn’t act a certain way is dumb.”
As has been pointed out, the people that you’re attacking are the ones that are NOT losing their minds over this move. Meanwhile, you’re upset. Your panties are in a wad because of the way others are acting in their fandom. You’re the one acting emotionally, which makes rationalizing with you an exercise in futility according to your counselor’s advice.
We’ve butted heads and you may just think that I’m being an asshole and have some vendetta, and if that’s how you feel, then I apologize. I honestly do try not to argue with you. I just think the “Fuck them” comment was entirely unnecessary and doesn’t make any sense.
early on in Ferentz’s tenure when (2002-2004) Iowa was pretty damn good at special teams. I’m just suggesting that the problem with Wilson is that he was stretched too thin, with too many responsibilties (LBs, ST, de facto co-DC for the 2010) and one thing suffered (special teams). I’m cautiously optimistic about him being primarily responsible for the ST (assuming that Parker has de facto responsibility for the secondary) going forward
Plus the attrition that seemed to start mid-aughts
had a major effect on ST, once we stopped putting our starters out there, when the younger guys weren’t getting that repetition and game experience over time because they were leaving.
will be ugly for the those years. Let’s be honest, this coming year wasn’t going to be great anyway, but mediocre play on the field will just result in more “SEE I TOLD YOU COACHING HIRES BAAAADDDD” calls.
what needs to be remembered is that as infuriating as the last two years have been defensively in the fourth quarter, the most consistently effective part of Iowa football has been the defense. I hope Parker is more effective at teaching blitz strategies and then using them. I hope he’s given the freedom we all assumed Norm had, if not more. I also hope he has his own ideas of stoping spread run/pass threat teams. Because with Ohio State hiring Meyer, that’s just one more we gotta deal with in time.
Did we really think Ferentz was going outside the box on this one?
The offensive coordinator job just got more interesting though if Reese is doing the DLs now.
whether it’s Brian F. or some one else because a) it’s needed for chemistry sake to have a youngish guy around, and b) I think KF believes in salary equity and while KOK made like $300K I expect KF to divvy that up among these assistants who were reassigned and hire a young guy at $200K or less so as to not upset the apple cart. I think, like many others, that Soup is the next OC.
a couple months ago I threw out AJ Blazek’s name on Twitter and I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit today. I asked Morehouse about it and he thought he needed more “seasoning.” He’s at Winona State, former Iowa GA.
I feel like I may be one of the few who aren’t thoroughly pissed about this. Despite everyone’s hopes and desires Ferentz is not trying to run the program into the ground. We’ll be fine.
don’t you need to have assistants going off elsewhere and becoming head coaches? I don’t see how any of the moves today lead to anything like that. Doesn’t mean they’re not sensible, though, the point is to win games not build a tree.
The Gazette keeps making masterful headline photo choices.
Seriously, though, I think Parker’s a solid choice. I wonder about the whole Morgan to D-line thing and what prompted that, but he’s a very capable coach from what I’ve heard. I’m surprised he’s still at Iowa as a position coach. The idea of Brian Ferentz to Iowa is very nepotism-y, but, hey, if it works, I won’t complain. The last time Iowa fans judged coaching hires before their first day on the job, Kirk Ferentz was a giant mistake and Iowa was about to become a basketball school. So, 0/2. I’ll let these hires flesh themselves out.
But none of knew him. No one really studied what he was about. Once we learned all that it seemed like a ridiculous hire. That’s why I hold Barta accountable. Hiring is an art.
With regard to Brian Ferentz, let’s be honest. If his name were Brian Schembechler and everything else were the same, we’d be wondering why we can’t get an up and coming young coach like him to look at us. I find the whole angst about nepotism silly. He’s proved himself more than enough. I won’t bore everyone with the number of successful coaches who were sons of great coaches (Lane Kiffin, Brian Shottenheimer, Nick Saban for God sakes, and on and fucking on).
Sanchez mostly played like crap, but the team moved on because they had a stellar defense. He did put together a couple good games in the 2010 playoffs but that is a hell of a sample size issue. Overall his results have been very bad.
in 2007 Eli Manning was the 25th rated passer in the NFL
and he won a super bowl. he had a great 4 game sample size that contradicted his 16 game sample size. today, he’s perceived as a great QB. Was he the guy who went nuts in the 2007 post season or the guy that was rated lower than Kyle Boller in the regular season?
He was a mediocre QB who went on a really good four game run
That stuff happens. He has since developed into a pretty good one, and was great for most of this season. If he’d regressed to his pre-Super Bowl level no one would be calling him a great QB now.
There are also plenty of examples of guys who had one great game and then went on to do absolutely nothing else. So I’m not really sure what you think the example of one guy proves.
if his name was Brian Smith, there is NO FUCKING WAY any of us would say that hiring a guy with all of one year’s experience was a good hire for arguably the most important position on our team.
But I think the OTM (Official Trolling Manual) describes the ideal method of trolling to be Trolls and Leaves, as in, no reading required. It is epitomized in the Troll rallying cry “Troll now, Read Never!” and the Metrollica Anthem “Troll ’em all, let god sort ’em out.”
My daughter, who is a sophomore in college, tried to tag me with being a hipster when I was in college. I protested in the strongest possible terms, that I rejected then, and continue to reject now, all such labels. Which probably is the most telling thing of all.
Well ok then.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
A month ago, this would not have surprised me
After this long of a wait, I’m surprised we went in-house.
Xarin - February 7, 2012
my sentiments exactly
Well, lets see if Soup is the new OC
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
How do they have to wait to announce that...
Will the UI have to advertise just like they did with the DC?
The Bird Cult - February 7, 2012
I believe the rule states that if it's an internal promotion a posting isn't necessary.
Though that may just be me being gullible and listening to other peoples.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
But that's what they did here and they still posted the job.
The Bird Cult - February 7, 2012
And we thought KF didn't know any trick plays
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
I think it's because it wasn't an immediate hire.
Just because Parker ended up getting the DC job doesn’t mean that KF didn’t take applications.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Any thought to if they offered someone else and couldn't get the deal done
Would Phil stick around through that?
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
Contacted? Absolutely Offered? Most likely not.
The staff was never interested enough to offer Herrmann and the administration wasn’t going to sign off on Bradley.
Also, the chances were very very good that Phil (and Wilson too, most likely) was going to bolt if someone was hired.
Tophawkeye - February 7, 2012
Wait, it gets crazier
PSD - February 7, 2012
Is Brian coming in to coach OL?
PSD - February 7, 2012
I hope not
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
why not?
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
To summarize
1) He is unproven. He’s only been a coach with official positional responsibility for one season. While the New England TEs were impressive this year, and Brian deserves credit, the lion’s share of the reason/credit belongs elsewhere (Brady, Belichick, Brady again, the innate talent of Gronk and Hernandez)
2) Coaching nepotism rarely works out. If he were brought in, Brian would immediately be the heir presumptive (even more so if Kirk is clearing out positional coaches for him). This causes friction with the other, more established coaches and his immediate supervisor, whomever the offensive coordinator turns out to be. If there is disagreement/issues between Brian and the OC, how secure do you think the OC will feel in trying to impose his will/thoughts if Brian can just run to daddy? Kirk would always have the ultimate decision in event of differing opinions, but it’s scary to think what happens if there is inherent bias towards one side in any such disagreement.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
For better or worse
I think this is happening. I wonder how much oversight KF has over the OL and if that will increase if Brian comes aboard.
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
This is a terrible idea
especially if neither Woods and/or Raih are elevated to official positional coaches. It will be, effectively, Kirk clearing people out of the way so that his son can take over for him, eventually. I’m not a fan of these moves.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I think if Brian comes in to coach OL…
Soup gets OC and QBs
Woods gets LBs
Raih gets WRs
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Why wouldn't Soup get OC and WR
and Raih the QBs.
I thought that was his background.
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
Yeah, because clearly KF puts so much stock in background as positional coaches
See former Oline now Dline coach Reese Morgan or college football LB, secondary coach Darrell Wilson
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Yeah you're not going to hire a coach to NOT put him at his position
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
I think Ferentz wants his OC to coach QBs
And Riah could probably do either.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
I think it might be simpler for a former QB coach to move to WR.
Doc and Morehouse made a good point when the mentioned that OCs generally work with the OL or QB because those are the positions which influence the offense the most. Giving Soup QB and OC duties wouldn’t be overly outrageous while Riah moves on to WR coach.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Or not
KOK wasn’t the QB coach when he first got here, that was Chuck Long. Granted his work ethic doomed the experiment, but that doesn’t mean that KF wouldn’t have Raih coach the QBs while Soup handles the WRs
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Did KOK have a positional responsibility while Long was still coaching at Iowa?
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
WRs
life has come full-circle for the Kenster
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
It isn't so much a question of Riah to WR
It is Soup to QBs. I get that you need the OC and QB on the same page. However, I would think that there are so many mechanics involved in throwing that you need someone with experience in that specific area. I think the same point applies to other position coaches, but it just seems so much a larger part of the QB coaches job.
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
I assume WR coaches already work with the QBs a bit anyway.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Honestly, I've often seen Soup talking to Stanzi and Vandy while pointing to the field and making throwing motions (and pointing some more)
so I didn’t think they were just shooting the shit on the sidelines.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
Fall is gnat season in Iowa City.
Everyone makes that motion in the fall. Actually, spring too.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012
IOWA
Gnats, corn, and AIRBHG.
18 year old recruit, you would look great in black and gold.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
Airbag?
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
No, AIRBHG.
Sorry, I mean yes, AIRBHG.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012
/breaks leg off in freak flash-sinkhole accident
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
it is odd with Morgan’s proven record of recruiting and developing OL…?
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
He isn't Joe Philbin
but he’s done a decent job with the Oline. And has ZERO experience coaching the Dline/defenses generally. I’d rather have Woods coaching the D-line.
And, though this is still speculation so caveats galore, I really don’t like the idea of bringing in a guy with exactly one year of positional coaching responsibility whose only qualification is his last name as the O-line coach and the dauphin presumptive.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Nicely done with the dauphin drop.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
If KF is the OL guru wouldn't Brian be very familiar with O-Line theory.
I mean he did play center under KF and has probably been shooting the shit about Olines with his dad for forever. I don’t think Kirk would put in a position where failure was an option or if he didn’t think his son was ready. Having his 1 son being the position coach for another son, that has to be something Kirk would revel in.
HawkeyeRecon - February 7, 2012
Which is interesting
Brian’s current (former?) boss, Bill Belichick, basically grew up in the office of his coach father.
BB does NOT hand out gimme jobs. He gave Brian the TE job because he thought he’d earned it. Being a Ferentz may have gotten him in the door, but he has had to prove himself.
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Coaches coach football
Reese Morgan coached for almost 20 years at multiple successful high school programs before joining the Iowa staff.
Kluginator - February 8, 2012
I would imagine
That this is something of a promotion for Morgan considering Ferentz’s involvment in the OL.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Also, folks are discounting Reese as a coach generally
If you were in Iowa City during his time at IC West…man. That program was a DUMPSTER FIRE before he got there. total dumpster fire. Epic national embarrassment. I think he’s likely a lot more versatile than folks are giving him credit for.
I wonder if there’s a chance soup gets the OL and we have a dedicated QB coach.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
whoops
that’s supposed to read something about paul bermister being amazing.
but seriously, i lived it and played it. West didn’t win a game for like 6 years, yet when i went there i was part of back-to-back state championship teams, and when Morgan left it all came crashing down.
Clash of the Titans, for 6 years the 2 best teams in the state were in Iowa City.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
apparently my "HOW DARE YOU" didn't get posted...
oh well.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
Yeah. In 95-96, we had SEC speed
But you had Tony Beminio.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
1995 City Grad here
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
96 here.
I actually got in a brief minor altercation on the field at halftime of the battle for the boot when the West flag guy wanted to harass the band (I was one of the drum majors). I imagine we are known to one another. Or were, 15 years ago.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
Either of you swimmers?
If so, which one of you bastards stole our banner (CRWash) at the 1995 state swim meet?!?!?!
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
hah. No. I'll run right out and call Matt Hamer, though.
It was probably him (first individual state swimming champ in CHS history, IIRC).
nhradar - February 7, 2012
That's a good guess.
And the second time I’ve seen Matt’s name today.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Haha, I remember that.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
yeah, that was my brother's class.
Man, we did not like CR Wash.
The Naked Bootleg - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
Maybe you should have been better so you wouldn't always lose to us
I keed, I keed
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
I seem to remember a couple foreign exchange swimmers that helped you out one year.
Poor Karl forced to swim breast and fly instead of back and IM.
The Naked Bootleg - February 8, 2012
That was my freshmen year
and the City High coach bitched and moaned about it all year. All the while conveniently ignoring that she had imported a state champion diver from Spain a fewer years prior.
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
touché
The Naked Bootleg - February 9, 2012
Nice to (re)meet you.
I played a sport that requires riots, violence, racial slurs, match fixing, and annoying horns that sound like a lifetime of beehives.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I don't remember much about City's soccer program, but I definitely hated the IC West program.
I respected the shit out of them, but as a Muskie I had no choice but to hate them for consistently keeping us out of the state tournament and being dicks about it.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Well, to be fair, you were from Muscatine. Everybody felt the right to be dicks to you.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
City had Kaeding and won state his SR year.
This is everything I know about them
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
My friend.....
Kaeding went to West High
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
ah crap. nevermind then.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE NATE KAEDING?!!?!?
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
No.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
YEAH YOU ARE!
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
I went to City, 1995 Grad.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
As in "My dear friend you are mistaken", not "Kaeding is my buddy"
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I am Nate Kaeding....
and I piss awesomeness and sweat victory.
Kluginator - February 8, 2012
and laugh with the cavernous yalp
of one who has slain and seen the eyes of the damned as the light of life wanes and they are embraced by a cold fate
Lycurgus - February 8, 2012
it was West
and then we broke his collar bone.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
That sounds like West High.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Indeed. Me, too.
After freshman year, I played no sports at all. Just every other extracurricular.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
Well then I KNOW you know some of my friends
If by extracurricular you mean Varsity Joint Rolling, Acid Club, and the ever-popular “Potatoes are Pipes, Too.”
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Somehow, this statement does not shock me.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Why even join the conversation?
Iowa City natives talking about school and then someone from out of nowhere takes a swipe. Oh, that’s what they call trolling!
hawkinsandmelrose - February 8, 2012
Lighten up, Francis
Lycurgus - February 8, 2012
I've exceeded my reply quota.
Sorry.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 8, 2012
Heh. Mine was the year on the Little Hawk
That we ran the “drugs are a great equalizer, joining rich, poor, nerd and burnout” 4-page joint feature. THAT was a fun critique on Monday morning. Rarely have I been so glad to be in no way involved with a project.
nhradar - February 8, 2012
Generationally, y'all are about 15 years younger than me (6 degrees of separation)
But it is neat – and sometimes really weird – posting about high school/college stuff here because you start to bump into people that actually know you – Iowa isn’t that big.
I’ve chatted with a few of you on here before about Iowa high school jazz competitions in the late 70s – I was the guitar player for Roosevelt from 77-80 – and I remember walking across Iowa’s campus as a sophomore in 81-82 and have people come up to me and say “Hey, aren’t you (fill in the blank?) – you guys had a great band!”
I worked the kitchen at Burge for pocket money, serving food, and I had people recognize me who were standing in the serving line… the hilarious thing was I didn’t recognize most of them because they went to small town schools and would see us compete at the festivals but in a different division than theirs, but from 77-80 Roosevelt, Hoover, and Valley had very, very good jazz bands and we were very competitive with each other… it was funny, everyone hated Hoover – mostly because Ron Bantani, their band director, had them playing the same three songs the entire festival season to the point they had them memorized so of course they played them great. Jansen, our director, insisted that we play different sets and actually Learn something in the process, so there was some friction there. Hoover beat us in the 79 finals doing that same three songs thing – we were a little too ambitious (shrug). Anyway, we were friends with the Valley band as we had a common enemy (Hoover) and the Valley kids didn’t act like huge dicks when we played against each other. They just wanted to hear good music.
We didn’t do State in ‘80 because our whole marching went to Florida during Spring Break and State Jazz Championships were right after – I think we would have won anyway, even with a week off, we had an awesome ensemble that year, but c’lest la vie.
If you were in high school jazz band in the late 70s, and went to the competitions, you know who I am :)
The Bird Cult - February 8, 2012
Are you the guy from the Alumni Band that gave my 3 year old a high five at Mickey's after the homecoming parade?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 8, 2012
Now I know you know my friends. They were on the Little Hawk. No more information or secret identities will be revealed!!
hawkinsandmelrose - February 8, 2012
Yeah. I kind of want to get my 95 yearbook
But I’m sure I loaned it out to a friend of mine from 95 who inexplicably didn’t get one, and I don’t know that he still remembers that it’s mine.
nhradar - February 8, 2012
I was on The Torch at CRKennedy
and I remember that feature (we subscribed to several eastern Iowa high school pubs).
Also, we used to drool over west high’s style (very hipster- it was hipster before hipster- at the time) and enjoyed a lot about the city high paper too (especially the writing).
I went to Journalism Camp at the University of Iowa the summer before my senior year (yup, j-nerd with a focus on photojournalism though I was a writer at the time) and we were all drooling over several papers from around the midwest and both Iowa City public schools were among them.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 8, 2012
my favorite memory, perhaps ever
is of an encounter at a fraternity conference. My roommate in my chapter was news editor of the campus newspaper. I made some references to my high school newspaper and its high quality. He sort of laughed me off. Then we were at a conference in Lincoln, and a guy from GW said, “wait. You wrote on the Little Hawk? we loved that paper.” It was weird. we rolled up to the NHSPA conference in san francisco, and one of our columnists had groupies….
WSS had a nice layout; I was more conservative. The runner-up for exec basically wanted the LH to look like the Utne Reader; I was glad the other guy got it. Because I am boring.
That feature was amazing. Man, was that an expletive-filled critique.
nhradar - February 9, 2012
Please yes
Notclevr - February 7, 2012
Makes no sense
Wilson played LB in college, and has never coached defensive backs, at any level. Why the sudden change? Unless he’s really the Special Teams coach with a secondary responsibility as the Secondary coach, which will really be Parker.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Ferentz played linebacker and was a standout offensive line coach in the pros.
Soup was a defensive back at Michigan, then became a standout wide receivers coach.
I think there’s a fair amount of flexibility when it comes to position coach responsibilities/assignments.
RossWB - February 7, 2012
I agree
but not this late in their respective careers. Wilson has been a defensive, and LB coach, for a LONG time. I know coaches sometimes have to move around (see e.g. Kaz) but this just seems odd given how long they’ve been doing what they’ve been doing, to suddenly have everyone move one seat to their left.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I see what you're saying.
Maybe Wilson has a burning itch to coach defensive backs.
It is a little strange.
RossWB - February 7, 2012
Just guessing here
but I think (and hope) this is just a ploy to have a dedicated Special Teams coach in everything but official title.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I'm actually wondering if some of the current coaches agreed to stick around until next year before leaving
(they’ve worked this hard at continuity, I don’t think they want Iowa to have to start all over and endure a 1998-99 again) so I’m wondering if the coaches that were leaving were moved to less permanent positions, while the ones who will be here were put in positions that KF thought they’d excel at, where they could do well long term (like 6-8 years).
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
That could be a partial explanation
what with the rumors that Reese Morgan was going to retire soon and Wilson, presumably, being less than thrilled about getting passed over.
In the On Iowa podcast, Morehouse mentioned how this is kind of Ferentz’s last shot, he has to get these hires right or he really risks the same fate that befell Hayden in his last years (best assistants gone, replacements nowhere near their level). Maybe, however, it is a multi-year/step (this year and next) process.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Wilson was a DB in college
Abdul the Butcher - February 7, 2012
A lot of guys are.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
Nicely done
Abdul the Butcher - February 7, 2012
Some will show you with a popped collar
others will just roofie the girl you’re trying to hook up with.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
Hey, at least the nice ones share.
Maybe that’s going to far.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012
Some do both
Captain n Diet Coker - February 7, 2012
Good thing we can sell our recruits on coaching consistency...
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012
Morehouse summary of Iowa's release
Here
PSD - February 7, 2012
Here's the official release
thanks to Hlas
PSD - February 7, 2012
What about LeVar?
PSD - February 7, 2012
Well, Phil does yell and scream - so those of us that want a coach that shows emotion
Regularly on the sidelines as the DC, you got it…
The dude has paid his dues, with 20+ years in as a secondary coach…
The Bird Cult - February 7, 2012
I don't have a problem with this
other than it could have been fucking done in December. Maybe it took this long because KF was saving the announcement like he hordes timeouts.
The positional coach changes make no fucking sense, however.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
poor clock management
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
Probably should've clocked it
Yeah, I think we should’ve clocked it.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
2012, dude.
I agree with that whole f’n comment.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Chinese Fire Drill!
TheStupidShallBePunished - February 7, 2012
Iowa's open (to the public) practice was mentioned in the release too
April 14th
Spring tailgatin’
PSD - February 7, 2012
Just remember not to drink in the Kinnick lot if you're taller than 6'3" and easily recognizable.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
I'm 6'2"
whew
PSD - February 7, 2012
Just make sure to blend in with those around you and you should be fine.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
This rule is almost as hard to remember as the ISU rule of...
Don’t rob a Hardee’s if you’re 6’8", black, and wearing your ISU letterman jacket.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
Dang, I will actually be in Iowa then
but at my brother’s wedding in Grimes
Captain n Diet Coker - February 7, 2012
So wait, Jaleel Johnson was talking out of his ass?
UNPROBABLE.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
No, Herrmann was the guy...
But much like Vince McMahon, KF hates it when his surprises are spoiled, so he swerved us all. Except because he’s Kirk Ferentz his swerve was the most vanilla swerve possible, going right back to what we all expected two months ago.
I think. I don’t know.
My head hurts. I’m going to go get some ice cream.
RossWB - February 7, 2012
Maybe it'll end up being a Dusty finish at Kirk's presser tomorrow.
George Washington Eagleclaw - February 7, 2012
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FVfZ6FwlAUw/TA5S0YkMUgI/AAAAAAAABlY/KhzdU5UsoBo/s1600/M5rRJXZvVO1iZRA.jpg
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
but ice cream does not stop a head hurting
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Thanks Kirk...
I mean seriously, thanks for getting someone like Bradley. Thanks for thinking outside the box. Thanks for delaying the announcement of an internal promotion during recruiting season until after signing day… Thanks for getting paid millions to be average. Hell, just make Ross WB the new OC and let’s be done with it and admit Iowa State is the better team. Fooking pissed and nauseous! I want KF to retire!!
Harrison Cougars - February 7, 2012
Easy, killer.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
that's some crazy talk right there.
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
No shit
I don’t mind it. Sometimes its best to get “your guy” settled in right away when talking about recruits. Maybe KF thinks it was best to hold off on hirings BEFORE signing day because that could changes some of the recruit’s minds.
DM_Purp - February 7, 2012
Hooray, promotion!
RossWB - February 7, 2012
You Have My Official Endorsement, Bro!!
Go Get Some!!
Harrison Cougars - February 7, 2012
Sounds like a shitty endorsement
when you say that he’ll will up making Iowa State the better team.
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
I'll go ahead and purchase the
firerosswb.com domain name now.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
nooooooooooooo
RossWB - February 7, 2012
I'd write for that site!
lolwut jk <3 RossWB
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
I'll post the opening announcement soon
then just hire someone I already know
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Uh, people...
… how is this not green already? A travesty.
Lukateake - February 7, 2012
WOOOO
Congrats! Now your Wiki and Webster’s pages will need some editing.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012 via iPhone app
I gots to go updated my profile on LinkedIn and then have them send a million annoying updates to my contacts.
RossWB - February 7, 2012
I better “friend” you speedy quick.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
But when will you have time for the "We must break you" posts
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
He'll farm the work out to Rambler
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Over my dead body.
RossWB - February 7, 2012
Or Rambler's
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I think a great many of us are mad...
But there’s no need to go all “Falling Down” on us.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
You mean like he does every time he posts?
clay-born to party - February 7, 2012
Maybe he’s really the bizarro Chazz
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
I just realized he's the tl;dr guy
Yeah…this is about par for the course.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
Sadly,
I’m leaning toward agreeing with him on this issue.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
I most certainly do not.
By all accounts Tom Bradley said he wasn’t going to be coaching this year, only a head coaching job. We signed 24 recruits, it was a very solid recruiting class in general and I don’t recall us missing out on anybody we thought we would get, besides Curry but that was more Kaz I am assuming. We don’t know what the process was, maybe he was really looking for an outside hire and it didn’t work out. Maybe the position coach changes had to go into effect for it to work out, and could have been contingent on whether Brian Ferentz was going to come back to coach the OL. If we would have lost a bunch of recruits because of the uncertainty I would agree with him, but alas we didn’t.
clay-born to party - February 7, 2012
I don't really see
how the uncertainty could have been a positive. It may not have hurt us as some expected, but I don’t see how it helps us.
And it sets up Phil to look like a second-choice.
I don’t hate Phil, and I pretty much expected this in the week or two after Norm retired. I just didn’t expect it to take 2 months.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
great movie
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Agree!
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
.
sailorjerry - February 7, 2012
I don't understand this picture.
Are you equating the guy whose opinion you’re trying to dismiss with Jesus? Seems odd.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
NO RELIGION
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Yeah, there's also that aspect. Strange.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
more of 'he thinks he's jesus' maybe?
but i just liked the picture. the rest of the coolstorybro images weren’t as good. agreed, no religion.
sailorjerry - February 8, 2012
Gotcha. Mystery solved!
therealCatnuts - February 8, 2012
But for real, I hear Jacobi is in the job market. #HireAdamJacobi
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
I'm glad you self-censored "Fucking". We don't allow swearing here.
hkobb7 - February 7, 2012
darn tootin'
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
You're goddam-fucking right
we don’t allow any shitty-ass swearing here.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Don't fucking mistake us for BSD.
Stay thirsty, my friends. - February 8, 2012
Harrison Cougars, you're my hero.
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 7, 2012
this can only be described as...
underwhelming.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
Is anyone really suprised
that Ferentz pulled a Ferentz with his coaching decisions so far?
justsomehawkeyefan - February 7, 2012
Believe it or not, but I was naively optimistic.
Never shall I be again. Ferentz is boring and a stick in the mud. In the world of college football, that’s not a good thing.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
Unless you coach in the Midwest and people care more about your personality than a winning a football team.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
Great post.
Trolls fanbase and coach in one swoop. Very skilled troll you’ve become.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Jesus Christ, this whole post is one big troll.
For either side or everyone in between. I love the passive-aggressive trolling, too. Keep at it!
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
I was congratulating YOUR passive aggressive troll.
Tyger1147, I am not being passive aggressive. I staunchly disagree with your view of Iowa football, and the occasionally arrogant approaches you employ to make your points. Fact is, you hate Kirk Ferentz. And you can’t move beyond that, and your posts have become trollish. WE ALL GET YOU HATE IOWA HEAD FOOTBALL COACH KIRK FERENTZ. And that you also think people who disagree with you are idiots who couldn’t come close to grasping the D1 WORLD OF ATHLETIC STUDS that you have a complete mastery of. I am not passive aggressive. Your views are narrow and lack creativity, and are always void of giving someone the benefit of the doubt. I am not passive aggressive, at all. But I do know that discourse over a message board usually doesn’t accomplish much, given you have already declared: “fuck them”. Whelp, fuck you tyger, take your troll shit elsewhere.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
I don't often agree with Tyger,
but he does post some interesting stuff sometimes.
I’m not a fan of his declarations of people being “passive-aggressive” or “apologists”, but he isn’t a complete troll jerk. Those people tend to be Nebraska or Ohio State fans.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Only Iowa could wait two months to announce a promotion from within
Oh well, hope the defenses are good. Bet Phil does a nice job.
George Washington Eagleclaw - February 7, 2012
What if they wanted Hermann and couldn't afford him at the end?
Entirely possible there was an outside candidate that we couldn’t close on.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
Kozan question
Is he off limits to contact? I am not sure if this is a “silent period.” However, if it is, given that the OC and position coach he was expecting are both gone, I have trouble thinking he would sign here.
three and out the kok story - February 7, 2012
Yeah,
I think the most optimistic chance is 40 or 50% that he’ll sign with the Hawks.
Looks like Michigan and Auburn continue to be the high-class institutions, in terms of recruiting, that we knew they were/are.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
how in the world are they being low class here?
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Iowa had him visit in September,
the other two didn’t until December.
I kind of assumed it was a “Iowa likes the kid, let’s all go after him” thing.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
You're just off base here, Chazz
He’s a 4-star kid, many teams have been interested for a long time. And we also just stole a kid from ISU under the shady circumstances you describe.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
So your theory is that Auburn is out to get us, or what?
Anyway, you aren’t even right. He’s had offers from both for quite some time, and when the visit happens is on the kid as much as anything. Even if they didn’t, how is deciding to offer him late classless? Until a kid is signed he’s fair game We offer kids at the last second all the time, including kids who are committed to other schools.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Yeah, maybe I'm wrong.
But I’m going to continue to think Big Blue and War Eagle are crooked.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Auburn is, undoubtedly
just not for the reasons you list. Michigan? Not so much.
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Somehow, I missed...
… the Junior Senior video in this post.
Lukateake - February 7, 2012
Oh. Right.
Lukateake - February 7, 2012
sad flag
junior senior? needs more of a sad horn.
whant-whaaaa
sailorjerry - February 7, 2012
slide whistle
descending in pitch
silkhawk - February 7, 2012
I'm ok with this.
Really, I think most of us realize this was the most likely outcome once Norm retired. That it took this long is surprising and I’d be somewhat interested to find out why.
Phil is clearly a good positional coach. See Morehouse’s piece:
Enoch - February 7, 2012
We'll never find out why
And if KF did tell us why, he would never tell us why.
chitownhawkeye - February 7, 2012
Yep
which leaves us with nothing to do but speculate baselessly!
/completely including myself in this group
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
The timing of this abso-fucking-lutely makes no sense what so ever!!
As of now, the program looks like a dickless monkey trying to fuck a rubber ducky in the middle of a gotdamn rainstorm. What’s next, Brian Ferentz named OC while Soup is switched to coaching the O-line?
Dip-Shit - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Let me get this straight:
You can say dickless and fuck in the same sentence, but then use “gotdamn”? Where’s your dedication to profanity?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
He went German on us.
I’d say that’s ultra-dedicated.
Kyle McCann't - February 7, 2012
Or uber-dedicated, even.
Kyle McCann't - February 7, 2012
There it is.
Nice clean-up.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
Gotterdammerung!
The best type of twilight is the non vampire type
HawkeyeRecon - February 7, 2012
I agree that the shakeup is strange.
But this kind of coaching shuffle does, at least, provide some fresh perspective at the positional coaching level which could make a difference going forward.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
something, something
deck chairs on the Titantic.
If this is the sum total of what happens (plus Brian Ferentz is brought in, and Raih and Woods are elevated), then there will be absolutely no “new” blood in the program, no fresh or different way of looking at things. And simply moving people around won’t fix that, it will only mask it.
Any of these moves, individually, I don’t necessarily have a problem with, but it’s a case where the total is less than the parts. There are some larger, structural issues I think with Iowa football right now, and this does nothing but offer more of the same.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Man, you're all riled up today
rupertj - February 7, 2012
Because this was an opportunity missed
and probably Ferentz’s last opportunity
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
You'll get another chance to say how big of a disappointment Ferentz is.
You’re too dedicated not too.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Whatever
I like Ferentz. I WANT him to succeed. Which makes it all the more infuriating when he doesn’t.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
This.
I hear you. But we aren’t privy to all the shit, man. I was pondering above if this isn’t a two part shakeup. Maybe guys agreed to stay another year and we’ll get more next year.
But I read “abosolutely no ‘new’ blood in the program” and about slapped my forehead because it hadn’t occurred to me. This is KF we’re talking about. Of COURSE he didn’t change any more than he absolutely HAD to. He’s KF.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
True
but I’m not asking for a home run in the “WOW”-factor with these hires, I’m just asking for something more than a slow grounder to the pitcher.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
We might still leg it out.
I just hope we don’t end up like Jake Taylor at the end of Major League (THE GOOD ONE! /the only one).
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
There was more than one Major League movie?
I don’t remember that. AT ALL. Certainly not one where Dr. Sam Beckett leaps into the body of a minor league baseball team
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
were there 3 or 4 of them?
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
There were 3
And they’re talking about making a 4th.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
Didn't Jake Taylor get his girlfriend back a the end of that movie?
And get to go to the playoffs?
Not so bad.
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
but then...
they were swept out and he never got to play again.
so in the end, it was sad.
jakeic - February 7, 2012
So it was pretty realistic in its depiction of the Indians
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
Plus, it was an indirect reference with the intended meaning of "I hope our knees don't blow up and leave our faces in the dirt" or something like that.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 8, 2012
This feels more like an awarded base when getting hit by a pitch.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
People don't change because outside forces want them to
KF is who he is. To misuse a phrase, love it or leave it. Really, if you claim to like KF you take his perceived faults with his perceived strengths. Try to change a guy too much and you fuck him up beyond repair and he’s no longer the guy you wanted in the first place anyway.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Yes
but it doesn’t mean that they should never change. The first axiom of life is that any organism that fails/refuses to adapt to outside stimuli, dies.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Maybe you also need to change and realize it's wrong to expect that from KF
Ha! Super insight! Gotcha there!
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I'll admit,
you went super-meta there
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Maybe Ferentz just really sucks as a coach recruiter.
Or, since he makes so much money, Barta said their budget for the Coordinator spots was really small.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
I will go with: NEITHER!
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
To do what exactly?
Hire Bradley? He said he wasn’t going to coach this year and wanted to be a head coach.
Bring in new blood? The defense hasn’t really been a problem until last year when graduation really started to take a toll.
Enoch - February 7, 2012
No new blood
plus guys who, on the surface, don’t know their new jobs as well as the old.
That just can’t end well
chitownhawkeye - February 7, 2012
Perfect summation
I’m hopeful for the best, but expecting the worst
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I don't mind Phil getting promoted to the top chair.
I feel a lot better about it now than I would have if it had been right away.
I fucking HATE the staff reshuffle at the other positions, though. Just terrible. Not only are we going to have a new DL coach working with the weakest position group on the team, one that needs immediate improvement for the team not to have a completely horrible season next year, but that new coach is going to be a senior citizen who has never coached on the defensive side of the ball in his entire life.
Well, I guess he did develop Chad Hennings back in the early ’80s…
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Maybe I'm just ignorant, but wouldn't well regarded OL coach have a pretty good understanding of how to attack opposing OLs?
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
That's the same rationale that led Philadelphia to move Juan Castillo to DC
And gave us Chuck Long, defensive backs coach during Hayden’s last year.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
What are you talking about
Tim Dodge was amazing
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
It's like that episode of MASH
where all of the officers and enlisted men flip-flopped their roles for a day.
Major Winchester was the cook. Potter was the clerk, and Klinger was in charge of the whole unit.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Now he's like, an amazing Ankeny police officer, or something.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 7, 2012
Ankeny in the haus!
Captain n Diet Coker - February 7, 2012
His position coach was Chuck Long?
That starts to explain some things.
“Now make sure you backpedal for about 25 yards even when you start 7 yards off the receiver. Remember, he’s gonna take at least a 6-step drop so don’t worry about any quick routes.”
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
And the drop will be in a straight-back
almost moonwalking motion
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Meh, I guess I'm just not as angry about it as others.
Seems to me that demanding a coach have inside knowledge of a position before taking a job is unnecessary. Morgan was a LB in college but never coached on the defensive side of the ball. As Ross noted above, Ferentz was a LB and excelled as an OL coach and Soup played defensive back before becoming a highly regarded WR coach.
These guys have massive football knowledge, I don’t think it’s fair to assume that they have to coach only at positions at which they have experience.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
As others have noted, this is the worst of all possible worlds.
Not only to we take a wrecking ball to one of the few positive qualities that Iowa football had over virtually every other major program, the vaunted STAFF CONTINUITY, but now we don’t even get any fresh blood and new ideas to shake up the stagnant pool that is the Iowa football offices.
Meh is precisely the correct adjective to describe this.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
You said that staff continuity was a selling point and a positive
And then say that not bringing in a new staff is bad. Promotion is continuity. And if you like the staff continuity (which you say), why do you say we need to shake up the stagnant pool that is our coaching staff?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
But there was a way to do both
and we didn’t.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
How many new coordinators want to work with the last guy's staff?
If the goal is to maintain staff continuity, internal promotion is likely the only viable option. I think the idea of continuity may just be mutually exclusive.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Do you follow college football much?
This isn’t like the pros, where people make wholesale staff changes when a coordinator moves on.
It is by far the norm to bring an outside guy and leave the rest of the assistants under him in tact.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Do I pay attention to the coaching carousel?
No. Not at all.
I don’t understand the point in bringing in a coordinator and asking him to use the assistants assigned to him, though, even if it’s the norm.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Don't get me wrong
I don’t have a problem with the Parker promotion, I really don’t (I just think it could have, and should have, been announced a month ago). But I do object to simply re-arranging the entire staff, just to not bring in anyone “new”
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
There will have to be one new guy
We now need an O Line coach, and I guess an OC but that’s going to be Soup.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
WOn't be a new guy
if it is Brian
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Brian, Raih, and Woods all played under this staff
and 2 of them were grad assistants here.
And BF has basically been a lifetime grad assistant for his old man.
Not exactly a group brimming with fresh ideas.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
So we all want a Fry coaching try with Ferentz?
As long as his former players and grad assistants aren’t the one’s on the tree?
This is so silly
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
No, we just want more than a single branch
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Very few of the famous members of Fry's coaching staff
Played for him.
Ferentz did not, Snyder did not, Alvarez did not, McCarney played here but under Commings, etc.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Stoops x2
Wisconsin’s Baby for a Coach.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
and two of them just spent time under Belichick and Norm Chow
It’s possible they might have picked up a couple of things.
rupertj - February 7, 2012
Now you're talking crazy.
The only way you can be a good coach is to be Bradley or Herrmann.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Yep
that’s EXACTLY what i_love_iowa is saying
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Oh, they're saying that if you want new ideas
Hire a 55 year old?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
But COVER THREE COVER THREE COVER THREE!!!
hkobb7 - February 7, 2012
Only one guy was promoted.
The rest were “re-assigned.” The point is that we could have either had “staff continuity” OR “new blood.” Now we have neither.
The worst possible outcome.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
how does moving coaches around ruin continuity?
rupertj - February 7, 2012
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
Because almost every position group on the team will have a new person coaching them?
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
and the coaches have been at the school for a long time and have a lot of experience
And the staff still will have worked together for many seasons
rupertj - February 7, 2012
They don't have experience coaching these positions
or working with these players.
Everything is new, yet it’s not.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
And none at their new positions
and that’s the key. My girlfriend has worked at her company for almost ten years, most of them with a lot of the same people. Just because she’s been managing the sales force doesn’t mean she’s equally qualified to handle the IT department instead.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
There are some companies that do move around management regularly, on purpose
rupertj - February 7, 2012
Some companies go out of business, too.
Just sayin.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
ZOMG YOU GUYS, IOWA FOOTBALL IS GOING OUT OF BUSINESS
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
#ZOMBIESTEVEJOBS4OC
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Don Trump might be warming up for KF
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
And sometimes it rains, while other times it's sunny
your point?
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
What's yours?
Sometimes moving management around is a good way to go. It allows for fresh perspective while maintaining talent and experience.
rupertj - February 7, 2012
I've been pretty clear
up and down this thread that I don’t believe this allows for fresh perspective.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
That seems like a poor analogy.
It seems to me that coaching linebackers isn’t all that different from coaching DBs. Wilson filled in as DC when Norm wasn’t available, I’m sure he is well acquainted with the responsibilities of both groups in the Iowa Defense.
Enoch - February 7, 2012
He filled in as a co-DC along with Parker
so it’s not like he was suddenly coaching the defensive backs.
Look, I’m hopeful that Wilson is able to transition to his new responsibility. But I’m doubtful. People don’t get more flexible (either physically or to new ideas) with age.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Although I understand what you're trying to do with the analogy, I'm not sure it fits properly.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
It's quite simple
rupert’s point (to the extent he ever actually advocates a position) is that there should be a presumption that they’ll be successful with new responsibilities in the same company because they’ve been with each other for a long time. I’m saying that just because you’ve worked in one department of a firm/company for a long time (and developed expertise in that division), it doesn’t mean you’re competent to handle another division just because it’s in the same company
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Or perhaps a change in perspective and suborndinates makes a hugely positive change.
No one knows right now.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
No, I get that much.
I just don’t think Sales and IT were the departments that best correspond to something like DL coach to OL coach.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Only example I got
I mean, nothing will be an exact match. But it’s why you also don’t see the head of corporate at a law firm suddenly, after a decade or more, suddenly get moved to head of litigation. At least, not a firm that’s going to survive
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I don't think I ever presumed any level of success with my statement.
The original statement was about continuity. I don’t find continuity is necessarily broken with moving people around to different position responsibility
rupertj - February 7, 2012
The point of continuity is that you have the same people
in the same positions performing the same functions for a long period of time, allowing people them and those around them to become accustomed to their roles.
They have clearly taken the snow globe of Iowa football and turned it upside down.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
So define stagnant pool.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Why fix what's not broken?
I think most of the positional coaches have been rather successful at their primary responsibility (Wilson with the LBs, Morgan with the Oline). Why move them? Doing so might make things better, but there is a higher degree of probability that it will fail/not be successful
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Football is football
Outside sales, while your girlfirend is good at it, is probably something completely different than going from one side of the line of scrimmage to the other. And Morgan has been coaching FB a lot longer, unless you’re Morgan’s age and your girlfriend is too, than your girlfriend has been employed at the company.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Not at the college level, he hasn't.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
So Hoya's GF knows more about sales than Morgan does about football?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
It's possible.
Morgan is one of approximatley 1100 FBS level football assistants in the country. I don’t know about you, but am in the top 1100 people in the country in my line of work.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
How many players have you sent to the NFL?
Me? not one.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
By the way this is dumb. Done.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I don't know, but I'll put my career winning percentage
up against anyone on this staff.
I think it’s about time for you to be done, too.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
So you're a more successful
Football coach than HoyaGoon’s girlfriend? So what?
Or are you more successful in sales than Reese Morgan? Again, so what.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I am at least as successful in my career
as Reese Morgan is in his. He is not some untouchable god.
This coming from someone that played and was taught by him in high school.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Do you coach football?
I’m confused. Just not sure what you are getting at.
GuttedSnowBird - February 7, 2012
He is more successful at coaching outside sales than Reese Morgan is at coaching HoyaGoon's girlfriend, who is in IT support
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I don't know why we're talking about HoyaGoon's girlfriend.
But then again, I don’t know why we haven’t before
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
Personal attacks are made by dumb people
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
How is that a personal attack?
It makes no sense!! It’s nonsense, as they say! Woa….
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
Personnel attacks are made by poor spellers
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Now that is a good one.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
agreed
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I'm not sure it was necessarily a personal attack on the guy
The winning percentage comment was pretty confusing.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
I didn't read enough of the chain
Looks like I got a little jumpy with my joke attempt. Oh well.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I just hope HoyaGoon stays at the bottom of the page.
When he sees us making jokes at his good ladies expense (somewhat) his good mood will disappear…..
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I'm only continuing to reply here to get to 30.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
30 replies?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
31 is way too many
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I think we're there, but I'm bad at counting.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
I agree a bit with I_love-Iowa.
If Phil isn’t coaching DBs, and Soup isn’t coaching WRs, that will be two changes that are not staying with perceived strengths.
To a certain extent, so would be changing Wilson’s and Morgan’s position responsibilities.
And, if the only true “outside” addition is Brian Ferentz, then this does smack of rearranging a lot of shit just to bring him in. I’m not sure I like that. (I want to bring Brian back into the program, but I’m not sure everyone else has to play musical chairs to make it happen.)
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Chuck Long just isn't a great coach period.
At least Morgan would be coaching a position that’s somewhat similar in technique.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
and doesn't like to work very hard either
PSD - February 7, 2012
there's very little similar in technique between offensive line and defensive line
Their goals and the techniques used to get there are vastly different.
LB’s and D-lines have similar techniques. O-lines and TE’s have similar techniques.
Not OL’s and DL’s.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
It's almost like... They are on opposite sides
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
I really laughed out loud. That's comedy! Rec.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
And yet former offensive lineman somehow manage to coach defensive lineman, sometimes with great success.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Okay. I didn't say otherwise.
I wasn’t arguing that it couldn’t be done. Of course it can.
I’m just arguing that they share very few similar techniques.
I understand it’s en vogue to read as much as possible into every comment I make, though.
I just don’t want people continuing to say he’ll be fine because they share similar techniques. He can be fine for a variety of other reasons, but that’s not one of them. Fair enough?
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
I don't think anyone is saying otherwise
the key is that at this point in their careers, Wilson and Morgan have been coaching their respective positions for over a decade. That is a long time for things to get ingrained, and former knowledge to atrophy. It’s one thing to jump around from position to position as a young coach, you almost have to be flexible in order to get the job, it’s another thing entirely later in your career. That’s true of any job, the entry-level guy may jump around departments a bit, he has to in order to be hired and fill whatever need there is; but over time, you develop expertise in a particular field and tend to narrow your focus, which makes it harder to jump to a different department entirely later on in your career. Now, Wilson coached defensive backs at Rhode Island from 1996-1998 and Morgan has coached a lot of different positions earlier in their careers. There’s hope that they retained some expertise at these, but it’s a pretty big gamble. I hope it pays off but I’m not optimistic.
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Kaz went from o line grad assistant
To d line coach and there wasn’t rending of garments then. Why now?
somerandom - February 7, 2012 via mobile
because twitter didn't exist then
therealCatnuts - February 8, 2012
The chuck long complaint is odd
Those DBs had a lot of INTs. I recall the secondary being pretty good when he was running it.
nhradar - February 7, 2012
We were going to have a new DL coach anyway though
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
So, Tom Bradley for OC then?
// not FlightAware, I swear
Lukateake - February 7, 2012
Why wouldn't P. Parker do DC and DB's?
Norm was DC and LB’s. So is Phil P going to ONLY be DC and not do any position work? The great thing about replacing Norm, to my mind, was that it might free up a spot for someone to concentrate solely on QB or ST’s. But if Phil P is not going to do a position, that’s less of an option.
I admit surprise at Morgan moving to DL, and Woods not getting that. Woods to LB makes sense, though. Campbell to OC seems destiny, but couldn’t he still do WR’s as OC? Then you have Raih at QB—unless I’ve already run out of room for him. Wow, never thought we’d have so many changes even if we didn’t promote from within. Crazy.
And what was with the delay? Did we get turned down a bunch a times?
The Director - February 7, 2012
Clarifiction: Norm used to do LB's and DC, then was DC only.
Just so people think didn’t remember that.
The Director - February 7, 2012
We need another word choice than “do”. It’s giving me bad images in my head
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
It's hard not to think
that we were either turned down, or at least potential candidates were not receptive, a couple of times.
chitownhawkeye - February 7, 2012
maybe Parker is DC and OL?
Or DC and special teams?
The Naked Bootleg - February 8, 2012 via iPhone app
These are obviously the "different scenarios" that KF was talking about
in the signing day presser. He clearly did not go out and interview anyone during the month and a half after Norm announced his retirement. He might have made a feeler to call to Herrmann after the Super Bowl, and upon being shot down, immediately defaulted to fill.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
"Upon being shot down" is a massive stretch based entirely on internet rumors.
There’s no evidence that Herrmann was even offered the job.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
If he wasn't trying to take a run at a pro coach, what exactly was he doing for all of this time?
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
There's only one coach in the NFL?
rupertj - February 7, 2012
#Belichick4DC
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 7, 2012 via mobile
There's only a handful of them that coached in the Super Bowl.
And after 2 months, this gets announced less than 48 hours after the big game.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Again, making a reach based entirely on rumors.
If we want to make assumptions, then maybe Ferentz didn’t want to derail his signing day PC with coaching news.
As for the delay, it could simply be that Ferentz wanted to be diligent in his search and reinforce his confidence in the gut reaction that everyone had (Parker to DC).
I’m with Hoya in that I think Parker should have been announced earlier. Even still, announcement today doesn’t necessarily equate to failure to hire a LB coach away from an NFL team.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Hes making a speculation based on timing
And hes not the only one. I honestly cant reach a more rational conclusion that KF tried & was rejected.
Unfortunatly neither can anyone else.
This makes KF & the program look weak.
DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Maybe they knew these moves would generate speculation about Brian
and they wanted to spare him that attention until after the SB?
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
Then they could name Parker and save the announcements for the other changes for after the SB
There is no other rational conclusion other than KF reached out and was rejected.
This is an embarrassment to the program & an insult to Parker.
DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? - February 8, 2012
Can I borrow your crystal ball so I can go purchase some lottery tickets?
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 8, 2012
Sure
but seeing as I am commenting on something that has already happened, apparently you want a crystal ball that will only give you last weeks numbers.
DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? - February 8, 2012
not based entirely on rumors.
There is logic in there. In fact, one can come up with this thought ENTIRELY INDEPENDENT of reading any rumors. Crazy, eh? How what one says could actually be the exact opposite of what is actually true.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
By that very same logic I can also assume that Ferentz was waiting for Corwin Brown.
He was also a defensive coach that happened to be done with his season on Sunday. Funny how that logic works perfectly, isn’t it?
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Who said anything about anything working perfectly?
I don’t recall any person saying or implying that the logic was infallible, except for you implying that others said it.
It’s simply one chain of logic that I was trying to point out could have existed independently of rumors (or at the very least, not ENTIRELY on) when you stated that it was.
Please, just read what I write and respond to that.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
Fine, but why pick Herrmann and not Brown?
What makes Herrmann’s name jump off the page? Why are we so angry that he wasn’t the guy?
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
There HAD to be a first or second preference
That turned down the job. There is zero reason that it took this long otherwise. Also agree with the Reese Morgan confusion stated above. Just seems like it won’t get the job done.
GuttedSnowBird - February 7, 2012
KOK leaving may have extended the wait.
I don’t know if we’ll ever know wtf happened. I don’t even know if KF knows what happened.
SHRUGS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bJ66ywitha8#t=80s
HawkeyeRecon - February 7, 2012
okay
so I think Raih, B Ferentz and Woods could do some damage on the recruiting trail
PSD - February 7, 2012
Agree that we really need some young blood
GuttedSnowBird - February 7, 2012
Mostly okay with this
I wanted Tom Bradley as DC, but I liked Parker more than Hermann. He’s been a great position coach for years and spent over a decade studying under Norm, I think he’s more than earned a shot.
Morgan to d-line is weird, but I think going from offensive line to defensive line coach is actually a pretty smooth tradition (Kaz was a former offensive lineman and seemed to handle the transition well). It’s not like LeVar Woods was experienced with the d-line either and that was the other alternative. I also really like the idea of Brian Ferentz coaching the o-line. He was a smart player, he seemed to impress the Pats a lot in his time there, and it’s hard to think of a better pedigree for a future offensive line coach than Kirk Ferentz’s son.
The Wilson thing is a little weirder since he’s been with the linebackers for so long, but he is a former defensive back, and I would guess that Parker can help him out a lot (while also freeing Wilson to do more with special teams). And it frees up Woods to coach a position he’s more familiar with, assuming that go that direction (though it is odd that he spent the last several months telling recruits that he was coaching the d-line).
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
You need an avatar
When threads get this long and I’m skimming over some people I’m not interested in hearing shout back and forth, I tend miss your comments because I don’t have your avatar to quickly pick out.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
The empty space is representative of my very soul
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
HawkeyeRecon - February 7, 2012
giggle
Because it’s just a shell! giggle
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Kirk Ferentz sucks! Iowa FB coaches suck! Iowa football is DOOOOMED!
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
The Mayans were right!
Fucker$, a$$, d@@die head, p@@p f@ce, $hit, cl@wn fucker$, m@nkey b@ll$!
Am I caught up?
Its OK, ladies and gents. We won’t know if these moves work until we see a product on the field. You can yell until you’re blue in the face, but we just won’t know until fall.
Things may get better, worse or stay about the same. But chill the fuck out.
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
I agree with this
Like a lot of us here I wanted some shake up after this disappointing season…now we get it, but now its too much…?!
I’m just gonna look forward to what these guys can do in the coming year and hold off my bitch and moaning for later….
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
And I understand this may be a disaster
This all fits in with my belief that life is a series of dice throws.
For realz, I love all of you. Go out for a walk if you’re feeling stressed. Save the chest pains for game days.
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Good advice
And I really apologize to everyone on this thread if it sounds like I’m freaking out over this. I’m not, I’m really not. I’m just decidedly underwhelmed (so far).
I have no problem with Parker to DC, I just don’t know why it took this long. I’m more apprehensive about moving some of the positional coaches around, unless this is, as someone else suggested, a way to move the short-timers out of the way for people like Woods to take over a “natural” coaching spot.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
You should know ...
That watching a game with me can be an uncomfortable experience. I get waaaay too emotional.
Remember the 7 got 6 game? Almost fell asleep like 10 minutes after. That’s how drained I was.
#NotHealthy
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
Dude, don't apologize. Fuck them.
If their panties are in a wad because they want to tell you how to react in your fandom, fuck ‘em. If someone wants to say why they think your conclusions are wrong, fine (although, any counselor would tell you that trying to rationalize with someone during an overly emotional response is usually in vain). But anyone that’s telling you you shouldn’t act a cerain way is dumb.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
Says the guy telling everyone that Ferentz isn't fit for his job.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
And?
How is that not congruent with what I just said?
Observing my own advice, I should make sure that you ARE implying that I’m being hypocritical. Is that the case? Are you saying I’m being hypocritical?
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
You don't see it?
Nobody told Hoya how to act except you. What we were doing was having a discussion. Hoya apologized (unnecessarily) because (as I understand it) he felt he was being misinterpreted. What you then did was tell him how to act. While on your silly little rant that does nothing to foster further discussion you told him “Don’t apologize…anyone that’s telling you you shouldn’t act a certain way is dumb.”
As has been pointed out, the people that you’re attacking are the ones that are NOT losing their minds over this move. Meanwhile, you’re upset. Your panties are in a wad because of the way others are acting in their fandom. You’re the one acting emotionally, which makes rationalizing with you an exercise in futility according to your counselor’s advice.
We’ve butted heads and you may just think that I’m being an asshole and have some vendetta, and if that’s how you feel, then I apologize. I honestly do try not to argue with you. I just think the “Fuck them” comment was entirely unnecessary and doesn’t make any sense.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
Whose panties are wadded?
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Panties in wad, at the bottom of my purse...
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
you dirty girl, you
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I'm VERY aroused
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
Hope for a new or dedicated ST coach
GuttedSnowBird - February 7, 2012
I think that might be Wilson's actual job
just not his title. He’s listed as “Secondary and Special Teams coach” on the Iowa website.
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
now that i like
basically its like having Co-Secondary with Parker and Wilson (well hopefully) with Wilson also doing Special Teams? that may work.
justsomehawkeyefan - February 7, 2012
You guys are smoking something if you think Wilson has been or will
spend most of his time on special teams.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Wilson's been special teams coach for like 7 years
and it’s worked magnificently.
Patrick Vint - February 7, 2012
That picture looks like it's from the 2006 game
Based on how much sun light is still on the horizon, but the point still stands.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Well fine
how about this one?
Patrick Vint - February 7, 2012
No, that one sucks too.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012
That's painful.
TAKE IT AWAY! MAKE THE MEAN MAN TAKE THAT PICTURE AWAY!
hkobb7 - February 7, 2012
It hurts... still
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Or this
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
too soon damn you too soon
IAinCA - February 7, 2012
trolltastic
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Was that from this year?
or the one from 2010?
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
This year.
I drove 300 miles to see that from the top of the endzone upperdeck.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Wow, what kind of camera did you use?
Give Eddie a Beer - February 7, 2012
The joke
you missed it
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
But he was also the special teams coach
early on in Ferentz’s tenure when (2002-2004) Iowa was pretty damn good at special teams. I’m just suggesting that the problem with Wilson is that he was stretched too thin, with too many responsibilties (LBs, ST, de facto co-DC for the 2010) and one thing suffered (special teams). I’m cautiously optimistic about him being primarily responsible for the ST (assuming that Parker has de facto responsibility for the secondary) going forward
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
Plus the attrition that seemed to start mid-aughts
had a major effect on ST, once we stopped putting our starters out there, when the younger guys weren’t getting that repetition and game experience over time because they were leaving.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 8, 2012
Shit, they already made the change on the website?
Now that I am truly surprised about.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 7, 2012
My thoughts:
Dr. Hawk - February 7, 2012
At least
Now I feel connected to someone on here
Chabdul Hodgeway - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Well when you have this profile pic,
I pretty much had to go with that
Chabdul Hodgeway - February 7, 2012
I said two months ago that the eventual hire will leave us all going "meh"
And two years later we’ll be eating those words.
See y’all in two years. God I fucking hope I’m right.
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 7, 2012
The wailing and gnashing of teeth
will be ugly for the those years. Let’s be honest, this coming year wasn’t going to be great anyway, but mediocre play on the field will just result in more “SEE I TOLD YOU COACHING HIRES BAAAADDDD” calls.
chitownhawkeye - February 7, 2012
If "meh" is an indifferent response, we could be eating those words in a bad way... wishing we had been more angry abou tthem.
By the way, not “us all” are going meh.
tyger1147 - February 7, 2012
I don't think anyone could ever possibly lose money by betting that a Kirk Ferentz decision
would lead to ambivalent results
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
It's amazing how few football players I recognize
when they’re not wearing helmets
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
I don't understand this photo.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
Two new recruits. One DL and one OL.
Thought it was appropriate.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
That's also someone that was on Twitter yesterday congratulating
Jim Herrmann. Looks like I’ve outkicked my coverage on this one.
i_love_iowa - February 7, 2012
Jaleel admitted to getting caught up in the rumor mill.
He never claimed to have any inside information.
I think there’d be significantly more outrage if Herrmann were hired.
The Mexican't - February 7, 2012
What the hell just happened?
Seriously?
Ernest's Crank - February 7, 2012 via mobile
Brian Ferentz is the new head coach
Kirk will be coaching the defensive backs. And Phil Parker is replacing Barta as AD
HoyaGoon - February 7, 2012
And Ross WB is the new OC
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
new special teams coach is an inanimate carbon rod
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
How is that "new"?
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
and Sally Mason is the stinky coed in the Deadwood
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
what do you mean "the"
is there only one now?
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
Yeah, good point
Um, the rod was alive in past seasons but finally died of embarrassment?
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
Man of the Year!
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
In Rod We Trust
// “did you get to see the Rod?!”
Lukateake - February 7, 2012
One won't be enough to halt the meltdown.
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
I'm sure it's been said a few times over, but the comments are TL;DR
But did we just get trolled?
RandomHero - February 7, 2012
When they announce that Doyle is moving to the HR dept
and put in charge of a university-wide initiative on safe lifting techniques, that’s when we’ll know.
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
I think this makes sense
what needs to be remembered is that as infuriating as the last two years have been defensively in the fourth quarter, the most consistently effective part of Iowa football has been the defense. I hope Parker is more effective at teaching blitz strategies and then using them. I hope he’s given the freedom we all assumed Norm had, if not more. I also hope he has his own ideas of stoping spread run/pass threat teams. Because with Ohio State hiring Meyer, that’s just one more we gotta deal with in time.
Did we really think Ferentz was going outside the box on this one?
The offensive coordinator job just got more interesting though if Reese is doing the DLs now.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Anyone who put money on Brian Ferentz coming on board, has to be feeling a bit more optimistic about his/her bet about now
oh, that would be me…
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
I am even more confident now.
This Morgan to D Line move has to tip the scales a bit….
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
I'm thinking
Woods to LBs, Soup to OC/WR, Raih to QB (and ST, maybe), and OL? Yeah, maybe Brian.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
Or...
What if Kirk takes over primary OL duties, and they hire a dedicated ST guy?
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
That's an interesting thought
But I thought someone posted that the updated Wilson bio shows him still at ST coach (and DB)
GuttedSnowBird - February 7, 2012
I expect a young guy to come on to the staff
whether it’s Brian F. or some one else because a) it’s needed for chemistry sake to have a youngish guy around, and b) I think KF believes in salary equity and while KOK made like $300K I expect KF to divvy that up among these assistants who were reassigned and hire a young guy at $200K or less so as to not upset the apple cart. I think, like many others, that Soup is the next OC.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Woods is one young guy (assuming he'll be the LBs coach),
and Brian would be another.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
Raih is also relatively young
He sounds like a persistent fellow (see Neuheisel story).
hkobb7 - February 7, 2012
I think he already kinda unofficially coaches the OL
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
I still think Wilson will be a dedicated ST coach
in everything but name
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
I'm certain it's going to happen
I just still think it’s a terrible fucking idea
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
At least we know they're willing to spend money on the staff
Just think of all the new business cards they’ll have to order.
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
And.....
green
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
These Delocated ads are awesome.
That is all.
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
So this is what we think is happening?
OC-?
QB- Raih
RB- Erb (also ST)
OL- ?
WR- Campbell (Possibly OC?)
TE- Johnson (also recruiting coordinator)
DC- Parker
DL- Morgan
LB- Woods
DB- Wilson (also ST)
EPIC IOWA - February 7, 2012
OL coach
a couple months ago I threw out AJ Blazek’s name on Twitter and I’ve seen it thrown around a little bit today. I asked Morehouse about it and he thought he needed more “seasoning.” He’s at Winona State, former Iowa GA.
PSD - February 7, 2012
Per the Twitter world
Brian Ferentz has told the Pats that he is “going home” to join the Iowa coaching staff
kodypuckett23 - February 7, 2012
We're going full Hermit Kingdom
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
UGH.
Make this move in 2-4 years and it looks a TON better.
Hawkeyes - February 7, 2012
Yup!
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Grain of salt
That tweet was from Marty Tirrell.
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
But he's way more reliable than the hack wannabes
Around these parts!
mikjones24 - February 7, 2012
(slide whistle)
Bucketochicken - February 7, 2012
Now I kinda don't want it to happen
Just because anything that legitimizes that shithead seems like a bad thing.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Marty TirLOL
Patrick Vint - February 7, 2012
Maybe it's the wrong Iowa OL as TE coach from the AFC East.
Mike Devlin is the TE coach for the Jets.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 7, 2012
Phil Parker was then immediately suspended by Kirk Ferentz for discussing team decisions on twitter
CyHawk - February 7, 2012
This is how a coaching tree grows, btw
Isnt this what we’ve been asking for?
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 7, 2012
Agreed.
I feel like I may be one of the few who aren’t thoroughly pissed about this. Despite everyone’s hopes and desires Ferentz is not trying to run the program into the ground. We’ll be fine.
NorseHawk17 - February 7, 2012
Yes!
Unless that idiot from ’Bama comes up here and pours rat poison on the tree like he did the Toomer Oaks.
What are the odds of that?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 7, 2012
To make a tree
don’t you need to have assistants going off elsewhere and becoming head coaches? I don’t see how any of the moves today lead to anything like that. Doesn’t mean they’re not sensible, though, the point is to win games not build a tree.
Brock Sampson - February 7, 2012
The Gazette keeps making masterful headline photo choices.
Seriously, though, I think Parker’s a solid choice. I wonder about the whole Morgan to D-line thing and what prompted that, but he’s a very capable coach from what I’ve heard. I’m surprised he’s still at Iowa as a position coach. The idea of Brian Ferentz to Iowa is very nepotism-y, but, hey, if it works, I won’t complain. The last time Iowa fans judged coaching hires before their first day on the job, Kirk Ferentz was a giant mistake and Iowa was about to become a basketball school. So, 0/2. I’ll let these hires flesh themselves out.
hkobb7 - February 7, 2012
I thought Lickliter was a good hire.
I was wrong.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
You know, everyone did. I did.
But none of knew him. No one really studied what he was about. Once we learned all that it seemed like a ridiculous hire. That’s why I hold Barta accountable. Hiring is an art.
With regard to Brian Ferentz, let’s be honest. If his name were Brian Schembechler and everything else were the same, we’d be wondering why we can’t get an up and coming young coach like him to look at us. I find the whole angst about nepotism silly. He’s proved himself more than enough. I won’t bore everyone with the number of successful coaches who were sons of great coaches (Lane Kiffin, Brian Shottenheimer, Nick Saban for God sakes, and on and fucking on).
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
well, I was under the impression that nick saban was lou saban's son
I was wrong…
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
funny...
I was under the impression he was the son of SATAN! That guy was a hell of a coach…
Argulor - February 7, 2012
Damian?
txhawkeye - February 8, 2012
Aren't the Stoops bro's
the sons of a football coach?
Kluginator - February 8, 2012
And how many years did they coach for their dad?
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Not everyone
But mine was mostly also through ignorance. I just hated any kind of basketball that was defense, low scoring, and ties.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
he was National Coach of the Year
what could go wrong?
PSD - February 7, 2012
So was Rod Barnes and Matt Doherty
it’s an unreliable indicator award.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
good point
PSD - February 7, 2012
Brian Schottenheimer is really really bad
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
no he's not
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
It's more like terrible, but ya know
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
He's a good coach. He was able to get a low rated passer prone to untimely turnovers
and low completion percentage to play like a champ, on the road, in the playoffs in consecutive years.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
He didn't even do that in their first playoff run
Sanchez mostly played like crap, but the team moved on because they had a stellar defense. He did put together a couple good games in the 2010 playoffs but that is a hell of a sample size issue. Overall his results have been very bad.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Eh – they did get to 2 conference championship games. I don’t think the stench emanating from the Jets is on Schottenheimer.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
They didn't get their because of his offense
His offenses have been ranked 25th, 25th, 16th, 21st, 11th, and 25th in total offense.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
that is a little skewed by their run-happy history
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
He got a 127 passer rating out of Sanchez, on the road, in Foxboro
in the playoffs. That’s what is called a resume builder.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
You realize New England has had a really bad defense the last two years, right?
Also one game is not proof of anything. Flukey crap happens in a one game sample all the time.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Tell that to Eli Manning
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Tebow vs Steelers agrees with Norse
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Um are you forgetting about the other 7 "flukes"?
clay-born to party - February 7, 2012
His defense playing very well was not a fluke at all!
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Name a QB who has outperformed his poor defense?
other than Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady, two guys that will be first ballot hall of famers. What is your standard? Perfection?
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
With Tebow? I would settle for mediocre
The idea that any one player is solely responsible for wins and losses is remarkably silly.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
I really like Tebow.
I’ll defend his game very strongly. But his passing prowess against the Steelers was an extreme outlier.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Which part?
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
in 2007 Eli Manning was the 25th rated passer in the NFL
and he won a super bowl. he had a great 4 game sample size that contradicted his 16 game sample size. today, he’s perceived as a great QB. Was he the guy who went nuts in the 2007 post season or the guy that was rated lower than Kyle Boller in the regular season?
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
He was a mediocre QB who went on a really good four game run
That stuff happens. He has since developed into a pretty good one, and was great for most of this season. If he’d regressed to his pre-Super Bowl level no one would be calling him a great QB now.
There are also plenty of examples of guys who had one great game and then went on to do absolutely nothing else. So I’m not really sure what you think the example of one guy proves.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
MArk Sanchez has won more road games in the playoffs than everyone out there but Eli Manning.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/mark-sanchez-ties-nfl-record-for-most-road-playoff-wins/1
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Wins are an awful individual metric
He’s not even on the field for half the game.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
I am still trying to figure out what you are
basing your “Brian Schottenheimer is terrible” claim on.
clay-born to party - February 7, 2012
Really? I said it above
The offenses he is responsible for coordinating have, on average, been very bad.
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
Harbaughs.
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
yep...this profession is filled with it
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Nepotism in coaching just doesn't seem as wrong as it does in other venues.
Especially given the schedules most coaches keep, makes sense their children would grow up and thrive in that field.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Holtz would agree
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Can you imagine being KF's kid
and trying to find any way other than football to find time with him?
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
This.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Hey dad, want to go golfing?
It’s only four hours! And we get to drink beer while pretending to care about a sport.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
/snorts. //hand gestures. ///watches more film.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
I think this has a very good chance of being horribly accurate.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 7, 2012
For most coaches at a major level.
BentNotBroken - February 7, 2012
Yes.
Didn’t mean it to only apply to KF.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 7, 2012
Kirk and Brian share many passions...
Kluginator - February 8, 2012
Tell the truth
you’ve had that for weeks in your “personal use” file, and just now decided to open it up to audiences? Right?
You are one sick puppy.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 8, 2012
If by "personal use" you mean "spank bank"
then yes, I have
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Mike Shanahan, sans John Elway, is giving nepotism a bad name.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
Yes, but by the same token
if his name was Brian Smith, there is NO FUCKING WAY any of us would say that hiring a guy with all of one year’s experience was a good hire for arguably the most important position on our team.
HoyaGoon - February 8, 2012
Yeah. That'd be like hiring the OL coach from Harvard.
nhradar - February 8, 2012
Perhaps this has been brought up elsewhere
What if Morgan asked for the assignment change?
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
I like it.
But what do I know?
Hawkeyegirl - February 7, 2012
You know how to use punctuation well. I admire that.
Most don’t use it at all around here.
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
Hey!!! Who are you calling “most”? Although, on occasion, I over-profanate, I do watch my spelling, grammar, and punctuation. So, watch it bub.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
Works on contingency? No! Money down.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
i dont understand what youre talking about
KilometersDavis - February 7, 2012
*your
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
ah, shit
/memed
KilometersDavis - February 7, 2012
Is it Reads, Trolls, and Leaves or Reads, Trolls and Leaves?
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
Both are acceptable, grammatically speaking.
But I think the OTM (Official Trolling Manual) describes the ideal method of trolling to be Trolls and Leaves, as in, no reading required. It is epitomized in the Troll rallying cry “Troll now, Read Never!” and the Metrollica Anthem “Troll ’em all, let god sort ’em out.”
TwistConePlease - February 7, 2012
Metrollica trolls fucking HARD
WhooooooooOOOOO!
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Meh...
I’m more of a Flock of Seatrolls kind of guy.
Blackheartnopants - February 7, 2012 via Android app
FOR WHOM THE TROLL TROLLS...
SomeJerkPoster - February 7, 2012
I've witnessed the outright mocking of people who use an ellipsis.
I don’t want to be mocked.
Hawkeyegirl - February 7, 2012
I heart the ellipsis!
I mean, I heart the ellipsis…
StoopsMyAss - February 7, 2012
I once used a verbal ellipsis
while standing on The Ellipse.
Hawkeyegirl - February 7, 2012
God help you if you use ellipses.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
What if they’re ironic?
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
ironic punctuation?
hipster…
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
Oooh, sneaky ellipsis.
My daughter, who is a sophomore in college, tried to tag me with being a hipster when I was in college. I protested in the strongest possible terms, that I rejected then, and continue to reject now, all such labels. Which probably is the most telling thing of all.
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
Ellipses are for winners.
Don’t you dare move on to the next post, I may not be finished opining . . . .
KilometersDavis - February 7, 2012
I always use them..
But since coming here I have started using only 2 of them – that way it is not a true ellipse and I am safe from criticism…
coltranemonk - February 8, 2012
Our new OC better be able to recruit like this
nerdhawk - February 7, 2012
That's fantastic
txhawkeye - February 7, 2012
That is a quality gif.
Now I want to see the sequel, where a dozen or so student-athletes discover that their bag is filled with dogshit instead of delicious chicken.
KilometersDavis - February 7, 2012
awesomes
And uh, that is definitely calling to me.
therealCatnuts - February 7, 2012
I'm not going over there unless there are Spicy Chicken Biscuits in that bag.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 7, 2012
I am so mad that the only Chick-fil-a here is in the fucking mall and not open for breakfast
NorseHawk - February 7, 2012
And they have their full menu at breakfast!
Damn, do I love that place.
therealCatnuts - February 8, 2012
How many
Chizik nickles DOES a spicy chick-fil-a biscuit cost?
WaterlooChazz - February 7, 2012
Just one.
Chizik nickles are souls, right?
Hawkeyes - February 8, 2012
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