This is not hard news -- yet. What it is a rumor with a lot of smoke. The rumor in question is Ken O'Keefe leaving Iowa to become the Quarterbacks Coach for the Miami Dolphins (and new head coach Joe Philbin, who worked with O'Keefe on the Iowa staff for several years early in Ferentz's tenure).
I think KOK to the Dolphins has and or is happening. It's 5 on Friday, so you know what that means.
Um... wow.
EDIT: And confirmation from the Des Moines Register, too. It's really happening, people.
We'll have much more on this as soon as we get more information.
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Holy Shit
yay, now another month long search for a new coordinator
White Lightning - February 3, 2012
Brian Ferentz will probably be hired next week
SMA may have really been onto something
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
what the heck I made this rumor up first you jerk
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
I thought that might ire you
Not really trolling you, it’s just that SMA had an entire article about it.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
How dare he write an article without citing me.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
What do you call the feeling you experience
when something that you have semi-longed for happens and makes you both excited and afraid?
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Craptacular?
WearShades - February 3, 2012
Shart?
DM_Purp - February 3, 2012
sharting makes me feel
embarrassed and icky.
kok, leaving with a promotion, makes me rethink some previously jumped-to conclusions and very worried.
iowabeakster - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Marriage???
Seriously, I know exactly what you’re saying. I don’t know that I’ve longed for it so much as thought about what would happen if he DID leave.
CarrollHawk - February 3, 2012
Euphoric
I’m happy, a lot of us wanted changes….well, There’s gonna be ALOT of changes
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
trepidation?
There’s probably some 20-letter German word for it.
I have to say that I don’t really have much fear in this. I’ve wanted KOK to go for some time now, the sole reason I’ve been OK with him staying on is that it’s KF’s choice and I’ll back him on his coordinator choices.
I’m excited for the possibility of an offense that finishes in the top half of the B10 most years.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I just worry about who they will hire next
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Yeah.
Many people here thought KOK never “stood up” to Kirk enough to demand more pizazz or change. To me, I doubt Reese Morgan or Brian Ferentz does any better, and might not be as competent as KOK. If Erb gets the promotion, half the Internetz will implode. Maybe Soup is ready, or maybe not. I don’t think Eric Johnson is ready.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Yeah, after some of the recent posts and coaching examinations
I just started to realize that he has actually produced some good QBs.
If a new OC comes in and doesn’t make much of a difference with play calling (and whatnot) will people (realizing that the problem wasn’t KOK) start to clamor for KF to go?
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
our offense simply can't get much worse
than it has been in the past 5+ years, some of those with excellent QBs and one with Shonn Greene. We may lose some QB development but at least we’ll put up more points. I’m nearly certain of that.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I'm (obviously) hoping you're right.
I just don’t want to endure the gnashing and rending if we don’t improve in the first few games. I see it a mile away and hope that doesn’t become our actual course.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
you know that course is pre-determined.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I'm about to have sex?
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I resemble this comment
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Go on...
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Excitefraid
skyjo - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Thanks for posting this Ross.
I’ve been following this most of the afternoon, but was leery of saying anything here.
This is going to be interesting to follow…
CarrollHawk - February 3, 2012
I just heard that with Morehouse on the radio
craziness.
There are many things that go into switching to the NFL.
DM_Purp - February 3, 2012
WAITWAITWAIT
We haven’t has a new coordinator since Hayden was here, and all of a sudden….I…umm…
I don’t even know how to process this.
chitownhawkeye - February 3, 2012
We're rudderless!
WearShades - February 3, 2012
NO NAUTICAL METAPHORS!!
This isn’t FUCKING Bowdoin
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Your reference is completely lost on me.
Had to google it, still not sure.
WearShades - February 3, 2012
Oh, sorry
I blacked out for a second and saw that I posted something. One of my other personalities is a veteran of the Barbary Coast who now teaches rhetoric at Amherst.
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Marine?
Did he fight pirates?
Blackheartnopants - February 3, 2012 via Android app
Uh, he was a pirate
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Somalian?
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Barbary Pirate
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
Ah, yes.
The scourge of fledgling American trans-Atlantic commerce.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
NAS Brunswick is an important place, I tell you!
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
Can I use baseball metaphors?
Because every writer really should.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Possibly
just stay away from the mariners
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
I will now recite exactly half of "The Old Man And The Sea"
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
It was a big fish. Dude was old. Sharks ate it. The boy believed.
Done, the whole thing.
The Bacon Explosion - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I do not know how to process all of this
Mixed emotions. Just a weird off-season to say the least.
tigerhawk61 - February 3, 2012
Call to Brian Ferentz in 3...2...1
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Please no
Not yet. In five years, maybe, but not yet
chitownhawkeye - February 3, 2012
Maybe not as OC
But say, maybe Erik Campbell gets promoted to OC (which I would be so totally in favor for), making room for at least 1 new offensive position coach. Brian Ferentz could certainly come in under that scenario. Whether he wants to or not right now when he’s just really starting to get some recognition in the NFL, who knows.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
Didn't say he was taking the job
But it’s almost gotta be guaranteed that he’s joining the staff.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Agree.
Like CnDC said he comes on board now and then in a few years becomes OC.
And then a few years after that he becomes HC.
And then a few years after that he brings us a mNC.
Ok, maybe I’m getting a bit ahead of myself. But I DO think Brian would be a great addition to the staff.
CarrollHawk - February 3, 2012
I'm fine with that
well, maybe not fine, I’m still a little leery of him being on the staff without more outside experience, but it would be a decent move
chitownhawkeye - February 3, 2012
I'm inclined to agree, but the Pats are really high on him
A lot of sources had him as their second choice if they couldn’t bring McDaniels back. And if he brought an offensive system similar to what the Pats run, that would be pretty cool.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
That would be my guess too
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
#PeytonManning4IowaOC
Not gonna happen, I know
kythom - February 3, 2012
;dlkjfa;ldksngsa;ldknad
/mind asplode
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
That is a lot of independent clauses of aneurism
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
I should really learn to never underestimate Ferentz
Especially on the Friday afternoon before a just announced press conference.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
He keeps you on your toes
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Unbelievable development
Gone Baby, Gone.
Nickhawk08 - February 3, 2012
Who else is having a celebratory drink?
I AM.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
We know.
clay-born to party - February 3, 2012
Going with Jefferson bourbon myself. Not really celebrating this – basically its just Friday.
The Bacon Explosion - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I'm just drinking because it's a friday
gang fight gang fight
my whole gang is down to fight
Barney Barney
chicken for us to no eat
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
MEEEEEE
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
If this is true
I want Junior-Senior.
Yes, I am a jerk.
Ratface McDougal - February 3, 2012
Nah.
Maybe if there’s a good hire. But KOK was a decent enough coach and guy.
Adam Jacobi - February 3, 2012
He was in charge of the offense and won games for us....
But he also might have lost some for us, too.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
which is to say...he was a coach.
rupertj - February 3, 2012
How profound....
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
He worked hard
there’s no reason for us to be jack asses as he walks out the door.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Hey, I'm not the one who called a naked bootleg from our own 5 against jNW.
But I’m also not the one who called The Drive where McNutt ran The Slant against Sparty either.
Thirteen years at one school in the same role is nearly not possible. Best of luck to him, he was part of everything that got me running in the streets yelling “TOUCHDOWN IOWA TOUCHDOWN IOWA!!”
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
That same naked boot went for 6 earlier that game.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 3, 2012
I'll play this game:
So Fitzgerald wasn’t expecting it again? Ken surprised him with a second, predictable, obvisouly visable formation for the same play? Or was there supposed to be a DE unblocked running full speed at Stanzi?
That cost us the B1G Title. Fact.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Look, you're right.
We can do this all night. Except for I’m not going to argue with an arrogant ass all Friday night.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 3, 2012
You cry better on Thursday's?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Just because Ross didn't put the "don't be a douchebag" clause on the post, doesn't mean it doesn't apply
rupertj - February 3, 2012
this.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Can I make this go plaid?
/ rec
// not plaid
/// haz a sad
EnergizerHawk - February 3, 2012
Let's play the: who fucking cares it was 3 years ago and he's gone game.
Shall we?
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Hey I gave Ken credit then Norm's Toes
stunk up the place…
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
No it didn't.
Ohio State beat Penn State that day, so Iowa still would have had to beat Ohio State to win the title. Iowa lost to Ohio State.
CarolinaHawk - February 3, 2012
Technically not correct.
An Iowa win in Columbus would have given them an OUTRIGHT B1G title, but a win over jNW (a healthy Stanzi probably wins that game) and a loss in C-bus would have given Iowa a shared B1G title with OSU at 7-1 (just like 2002 and 2004).
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
I think, if I'm not mistaken, Vandenberg was QB....
….because Stanzi had a broken ankle. Stanzi may have made a difference, but nahh. Probably not. You’re right.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
HURR LET'S PLAY THE WHAT IF GAME DURR
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Have you been reading the posts?
Pretty much the theme here guy. Shit on O’Keefe, rule out the likely candidates, and replay games where he maks a batshit crazy play call.
I’ve gotten my wish, now I have to face the facts that he was as much a part of the success of this team as any one player or players or Norm Parker. That may or may not turn out in my favor. But don’t act like this isn’t going on all over the place. It’s called accepting and coping.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Have I been reading the stupid stretch of comments that you started?
No. Not really.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
I believe the proper word here Mexican't is:
HURRR.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
You do realize that that was BY FAR the best game
that Vandy has ever played, right? He actually gave us a chance to win. We gave up 250 yards rushing, missed a chip shot FG, Stross dropped at least 1 TD pass (if not more) and our gutless, chickenshit of an HC decided to sit on the ball with a minute and half and 2 TOs left at the end of the game.
There were dozens of reason why Iowa lost that game, and QB play was about #2334544 on the list.
i_love_iowa - February 4, 2012
It was not
It was a great game considering the circumstances, but he threw three picks and had at least one more pass that should have been picked off. He made some really pretty throws in that game and was better than he had any right to be, but he’s definitely had better games since.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
THat game was classic -- we now know -- Vandy
streaky, questionable, mediocre, bold, all in one game. Of course, he’s since been scouted and KOK’d.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Is this referring to the idea that KOK QBs got worse with time?
Because that is demonstrably incorrect and I don’t know how it’s become A Thing.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
Everyong had low expectations for Vandy and our chance to win in that game.
He exceeded them. So that game just feels like his best game.
I think we all had reasonably high expectations for him after that, which have been somewhat brought back to reality since.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Didn't DJK give us a kickoff return for a TD in that game, also?
So, I guess Vandy helped put up about 17 points in that game. Which was still a lot better than Pryor, but not exactly an overwhelming day, either.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
That game is a totally forgettable loss without DJK's return
Ironically, that play seems to be often forgotten when people talk about how great Vandy was that day. And though he exceeded expectations, he wasn’t quite great. Without that kickoff return, I’d give him slim chances to come back down 14.
But that’s all hypothetical. And old news.
Kinda sucks that some of my favorite Iowa games are OT losses.
Luke Recker No-Look Pass - February 4, 2012
Vandy's TD pass to McNutt (?) in a tight space was fantastic.
The Mexican't - February 4, 2012
Agreed, and all credit for that one
Which drive had the pass where two OSU players collided in midair going for the easy INT, allowing Moeaki to catch it for a first down?
He also had some truly awful passes. Not that we had a shortage of those with our usual starter that year.
Luke Recker No-Look Pass - February 4, 2012
"and our gutless, chickenshit of an HC decided to sit on the ball with a minute and half and 2 TOs left at the end of the game."
Our defense was ridiculous. Things were a bit different then.
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
I can't help but agree with you.
This program needs new blood.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Don't know what to think
Hope all that wanted this are happy, but maybe it is time to rebuild and get some younger faces in at OC and DC.
Will this cause anymore defections? Players and coaches?
IowaFan81 - February 3, 2012
Lots of message board bullshit about Darrell Wilson leaving, but nothing really concrete
That would suck, he’s a great recruiter for us.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
I think this is a good move for Ken too
As I’ve said before, I think he’s a solid QB coach, so this is a better fit. I will definitely be happy to be rid of some of his dumber playcalling tendencies though (I think the conservative nature of the offense is mostly on Kirk, but KOK did plenty of stupid shit within the confines of that)
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
yesterday there were also rumors of Reese Morgan's departure
they are just that, rumors. I have nothing more to add
PSD - February 3, 2012
If that's true
or if there are more departures now, then there are MUCH larger issues at play. And almost none of them are good for the program
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
or people are just upset they're not the one getting the big promotion
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
That's still a larger issue, isn't it?
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Anyone with any kind of ambition hates getting passed over when a company hires outside.
It basically means your boss thinks you’ve plateaued, and if you want to advance in your career, you have to go elsewhere.
So, I don’t fault these guys for leaving in a situation like this even if it does suck ass for the program. And I have a hard time believing we go super-vanilla with in-house hires right now. So we may be in for a few more assistant defections.
HawkeyeInExile - February 3, 2012
Or perhaps some of the coaches don't feel like the University has their best interests in mind anymore.
Maybe it was the Coker thing, or maybe something else.
But we can’t make conclusions. This staff has been together a long time, and for some of them it was promotion to coordinator or bust. If they didn’t get the job and feel they want to go add a new accomplishment to their life’s work, then I can completely understand. In fact, I hope that’s ALL it is, and not a problem within the program/university.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 4, 2012
Until we have even an inkling of that, I don’t think it is good to say such things.
To me, Norm’s retirement was imminent. Kaz left to get more cash, possibly more future advancement opportunities, and a “better name-brand” to recruit with.
Let’s not even insinuate KOK’s reasons until Morehouse or Dochterman at least hint at what they find out.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Yeah, not many OL coches retire at 63.
Ferentz is pushing Morgan out the door. Coaches should coach until they’re 85.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
You forgot to put the
under that last post
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 4, 2012
Not necessarily.
It might just be a few of the older assistants/coordinators deciding that they had a great run together, and that they’d like to spend more time around family/grandkids rather than trying to talk 18-year-olds into sacrificing personal interests for a team gain, and then having those 18-year-olds jump ship when they don’t get their way.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
The key aspect is the timing
waiting until now, when the coaching carousel everywhere else has stopped (meaning the pool of available hires is largely comprised of the undesirable) is not a good time to be undergoing a major staff overhaul.
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012
or they were loyal and waited until after signing day
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
or they were devious and waited until after signing day
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
ALL COACHES ARE EVIL AND HATE THEIR PLAYERS
BentNotBroken - February 4, 2012
those are not mutually exclusive
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
certainly
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
I don't necessarily agree with that.
You can still pluck guys from lower-ranks (MAC, etc). And you might still pluck a few guys from the NFL.
Maybe you don’t get a lot of lateral guys right now (except Tom Bradley?)
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Yeah, but when is the last time the Iowa Athletic Dept surprised anyone like this?
I mean, this was out of left field, and I get the impression that they’ve known about this for a while, which is probably why the DC job has remained open too.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 4, 2012
Happy or sad?
Scared
Cornfedhawkbred - February 3, 2012
KOK was the main guy on Garmon right?
No chance of him attempting leave, right?
HawkeyeBoiler - February 3, 2012
I would be surprised
I think we sold him mostly on the playing time, which isn’t going to change any
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
He can't leave. He already signed a LOI
That’s why they do this stuff AFTER signing day.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
Yes he can.
All the school has to do is grant him his release.
See: Coker, Marcus.
CarrollHawk - February 3, 2012
And anyone with half a brain would not grant such a release.
Forcing them to transfer and sit out a year.
It only takes a few competent administrators. Not sure if he have them around, though.
i_love_iowa - February 4, 2012
That's a pretty dick move
to force a kid to sit out a year after you just convinced him to come to your program. I believe that KF would grant that release in a heartbeat if they can’t convince him to stay
chitownhawkeye - February 4, 2012
Yes.
I may be mistaken, but I don’t recall Ferentz EVER denying a kid’s release.
CarrollHawk - February 4, 2012
Correct
If he wants to go, KF won’t stand in his way
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
And to think Paterno is his idol.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
I'm on the fence with the Bolden thing
It was clearly in the kid’s best interest to stay at PSU, so I can’t entirely fault Paterno. But it definitely was a little too heavy-handed as well.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
How in the world is that a dick move?
Kid signed on the dotted line to come here.
Decisions have consequences. I thought we were trying to teach these kids life lessons and how to function in the broader world.
Guess that isn’t the goal of higher education after all.
i_love_iowa - February 4, 2012
You're right
He might as well learn right now that people have their own best interests at heart instead of of his right now. He might as well learn that the world, or at least the NCAA, is unfair, and that he, as a 18 year old (or whatever his age is) will be punished for leaving a school if he changes his mind, because kids that age are well known for thinking long term and understanding consequences. Whereas a grown man who likely told this, and other, recruits that he would be the guy they worked with can walk away to another job with no penalties.
Maybe the life lesson that KF and the university can teach him is to understand that situations change, and if he’s enough of a man to approach the coaching staff with an open mind, to give them a chance to listen to their pitch, possibly meet the new coach, and if he still wants to leave, they can treat him like a man and grant that request. Instead of treating him like a kid and grounding him.
chitownhawkeye - February 4, 2012
So, so rec'd
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
The final part of that statement
Was full of so much perspective I am truly upset that I have but one rec to give.
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
Very proud you've been in my home.
Kyle McCann't - February 5, 2012
meh...
I think he would definitely threaten not to do it. I feel like I remember reading that he did do that before. And the kid ended up staying and was glad he stuck it out. I don’t think he actually would if the young man decided there was no way he could stay at Iowa. But I don’t feel like I’m stretching my imagination too far to think he might tell Beathard that he isn’t quite ready to grant the release, so he should think about staying or something.
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
There are several instances
of the U granting a kid’s release.
There might be one (the one you sort of remember) where KF didn’t.
How many kids would transfer to another school if their favorite professor left? So why expect the same, or less, in a football player?
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Um, how many times a day/week will you see your favorite professor
3 times a week for 1 hour a shot? Maybe 3 (four times max) during your college career? Yeah, that’s totally the same.
You’re right that KF will generally give the kid his release, but only after he (and other coaches) really put the pressure on the kid to stay (see e.g., John Raymon).
HoyaGoon - February 6, 2012
I could see people transferring to get away from me
Lycurgus - February 6, 2012
Only because you dress like an extra from DEADWOOD...
and they’re afraid that you’re going to challenge them to a duel at some point during one of your classes.
RossWB - February 6, 2012
Or a dual
therealCatnuts - February 6, 2012
I will duil you right now
Lycurgus - February 6, 2012
Now you're crossing the streams!
It’s not like Ly is wearing a singlet to class. That would just be weird.
RossWB - February 6, 2012
Yes
I don’t want my awesome, teenage mutant ninja turtles freestyle singlet to be sullied by a couple of bedwetters
Lycurgus - February 6, 2012
That is possible
though I don’t dress like an extra; my wardrobe is patterned perfectly after William Bullock’s
Lycurgus - February 6, 2012
Then it's even more likely that they'll fear a duel from you.
RossWB - February 6, 2012
Just as long as they don't bring a horse.
Lycurgus - February 6, 2012
Beathard is very unhappy.
dERP That’s why you pick the school not the coach. derp derp
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Are we sure that he's "very unhappy"?
The Mexican't - February 4, 2012
you're right
very disappointed is different than unhappy. My fault (seriously, not sarcastic)
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
I hadn't seen the "very disappointed" remark either.
The Mexican't - February 5, 2012
release coming
PSD - February 3, 2012
I'm still not sure how to react.
First of all, good for KOK. I don’t necessarily want to celebrate his leaving the program, because I don’t think Iowa’s offensive ineptitude is entirely KOK’s fault. That said, I’m excited to see what a new OC might mean for Iowa football.
Really feels like a win-win here.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Wow, 2 coordinators in the same year,
with another assistant thrown in as well. Time for Kirk to orchestrate another rebuild.
Get to work Captain Kirk!
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
HEY
KF FINALLY HAS A COACHING
TREESAPLING!!Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
Appropriately, this is now green.
lo-hi-hawkeye - February 4, 2012
Bruce Pearl for OC?
PSD - February 3, 2012
I suppose he doesn't have much else to do these days
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
No winter BBQs to host?
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
if only you knew who was at that bbq
it changed tOSU basketball history forever
OhioHawk - February 4, 2012
wonder if he'll be shirtless?
PSD - February 3, 2012
I hope he's in the student section.
RossWB - February 3, 2012
I nominate ScareCoach
See HEC’s post from earlier today.
Blackheartnopants - February 3, 2012 via Android app
BRING ON THE RUN AND SHOOT OFFENSE
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
the notorious r.d.m. - February 3, 2012
Hal Mumme is returning to state of Iowa, y'all.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Woooo?
Nature Boy - February 3, 2012
nobody whoo's like the Nature Boy
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
#RonP4IowaOC
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
#Peyton4IowaOC
White Lightning - February 3, 2012
Pearlman?
DM_Purp - February 4, 2012
HELL BOY?!?
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Oh, hell yes.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Maybe he can bring Linda Hamilton with him as a package deal.
He’ll be the “beast” DC and she’ll be the “beauty” OC.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Iowa City as Charming? Interesting.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
That means that Bobby Elvis is Doyle. Awesome.
One Night Stanzi - February 4, 2012
Hayden's free these days right?
DananHughesUrDaddy - February 3, 2012
Hey, guys, when does Timmy B's TV contract expire?
He’s available.
/trololololol
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
What about Timmy D?
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
he's still on his 10-year plan
I think he’s at cocktail waitress #3,498 right now. Getting close to goal!
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Timmy D's thirst for cocktail waitresses
Is insatiable.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
2012: the year of unpredictable Iowa offense!
For a limited time only.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
2012: the year of unpredictable Iowa!
FTFY
Xarin - February 3, 2012
The Mayans were right!
Blackheartnopants - February 3, 2012 via Android app
What bowl game is on Dec 21
cause that’s where were headed
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
It's one of those games they play abroad to try and sell "American Football" to people who don't give a shit.
The Megiddo Bowl, I think.
HawkeyeInExile - February 3, 2012
"This one's for all the nothingness that descends upon us tomorrow."
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 4, 2012
This freaks me out a bit.
Both coordinators and maybe a couple assistants is maybe not a big deal at some schools, but I’ve gotten so used to the stability of the coaching staff.
rupertj - February 3, 2012
Yeah,
but I think I’d rather be losing coordinators and assistants in this manner, as compared to other manners (having to fire them, having them go to rivals or conference foes, etc).
/I just realized Kaz left for a rival/conference foe. But, my point still stands for the coordinators.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Gazette link
from Mohouse
PSD - February 3, 2012
Mohouse, moproblems.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
(Not really)
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
now with quote from Ferentz
PSD - February 3, 2012
Per my new favorite former Hawkeye on Twitter, Paki O'Meara
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
PAKISNAP
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Well..holy fuck...
Iowa Football 2012 just got a hellva lot more interesting, kids…
OC Candidates??
Eric Campbell—promote from within
Chuck Long—potential homecoming from the hell that was Kansas football
Brian Ferentz—no way that’s happening
Drawing a blank on other possibilities…
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Caldwell
pipedream
PSD - February 3, 2012
Didn't he just take another job?
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
oh yeah
Ravens
PSD - February 3, 2012
Please keep Chuck Long away
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
What...
You don’t want to go back to the good old days of the backpedaling 6 step drop?
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Can we get Nike to make us some pro-combat tearaways?
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
AINT NO PARTY LIKE A CASTILLO PARTY
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
I would be very much on board for this
Philly has always had good offenses during his time there.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Honestly, his clock will never stop ticking
As no one is ever happy in Philly. And I simply don’t think he’s good at his job…as a DC.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Putting aside that he's not leaving an NFL coordinator position for a college one
I don’t know how much credit I give him for their offense. Andy Reid is not without his faults, but he’s an offensive genius
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
I only made the suggestion
Because I’m pretty sure he’s going to get fired after this year.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
I think it's already been confirmed that he's not
Which is insane because he’s terrible
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
There's no way
He’s sooooooooo awful at defense.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
I think he might leave for a job with a little more security
but I have to say I know little about Philly’s inner workings on the offensive coaching. It’s just my quick observation that they were excellent on offense for many years when he was coaching that side, and their offense even took a dip the year he moved over to defense. But you may be right that the large bulk of the acclaim should go to Andy Reid.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Please, God, not Chuck Long.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
I have more of a chance than Chuckles does.
KF already pushed him out the door once.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
Chuck Long = All time great Iowa QB
Not an all-time great coach.
djwoody - February 3, 2012
IN HEAVEN THERE IS NO BEER THAT'S WHY WE DRINK IT HERE
kEvanson - February 3, 2012
TWAT???
End of a Iowa Era I presume?
C-Razzle - February 3, 2012
I cunt hear you.
GuttedSnowBird - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
Maybe you have an ear infucktion.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
need some peniscillin?
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
I just want to green all of this.
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
haha
Yeah and boob
DM_Purp - February 4, 2012
weiner
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Penis
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
He's gonna coach WR's
PSD - February 3, 2012
That's really weird if true
And seems like a step down. Makes me wonder about the circumstances of his departure.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
The NFL
is never a “step down”. He’ll probably make at least 2x as much as he did at Iowa.
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Exactly
I do wonder why he chose to leave. I wonder if he knows KF is heading into his last year or something. (pure speculation)
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Its been no secret...
That KOK wanted to either be a HC at a school or some other bigger opportunity. Philbin knows KOK well obviously, so its not a real shock to see Philbin reach out and pick up KOK for this position in Miami.
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
maybe Ferentz
felt it was time to interject some youth on the staff? or a change?
PSD - February 3, 2012
"Ferentz" "Change"
Which one of these things is not like the other?
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
wait, how can one of two things not be like the other but the other is like the other?
i’m kornfused
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Well..thats certainly a possibility...
KF’s made it no secret either that he’s always encouraged his assistants to take advantage of opportunities when they have become available.
I’m trying to remember the college job that KOK"s name was swirling around last year….
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Indiana and UConn
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Yes..thank you!
Couldn’t remember for the life of me…
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Indiana
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
I think it's more this
Any way you cut it, a long-tenured college OC doesn’t leave for a position NFL job without a helping hand pushing from behind.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Or KF won't be around long.
HawkeyeRecon - February 3, 2012
Or he was sick as hell of winter.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
Or whomever KF is bringing in as DC
Is a logical successor and KOK decided to get while the getting was good (no open college HC positions right now)
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I think you are seriously overestimating the salary of a first time NFL position coach
It’s hard to find numbers on it, but I would pretty surprised if they’re making twice what he made here. WR coach is pretty far down the totem pole.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
KOK's Iowa Salary
was 260K/year. Position coaches in the NFL are averaging 400K a year or more now…
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Position coaches are? Where are you seeing that?
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
A quick search of the Googles pulls up at least 2 old articles claiming that some position coaches are making $400k
This LA Times article from 2005, and an article from Len Pasquerelli suggests the same type of incredible increase in assistant wages.
There’s probably a good chance that KOK is making, at least, a lateral move in terms of wages while also getting his foot in the door at the NFL level.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Well "some" isn't really average
It might be close to a lateral move in salary, but I think it’s probably a step back from OC for a major college team in terms of prestige. He has his foot in the NFL door now, but at his age I don’t know that WR coach is really the ticket to a huge promotion down the line. I guess we’ll see.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Those articles are also at least 5 years old.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
I think I read recently that they're making
250-500 based on the importance of the position.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Coaching Brandon Marshall got a lot more important
after his amazing Pro Bowl
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Yeah it's amazing what happens
When he has a QB who isn’t absolute garbage.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
And the defense isn't playing...defense
Brock8144 - February 3, 2012
could it be anger at the Coker thing?
GuttedSnowBird - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
I hope this isn't in response to my last Holmes chapter.
Someone had to die, Ken. It was all for the suspense.
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
You should change your handle
To Lycurga-damus. Bc you called this shit without even trying.
One Night Stanzi - February 3, 2012 via Android app
They call me the "prophetical dentist"
because I floss a lot.
They also call me “Minnesota sexy”, because I Ross a lot.
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Now I want to know what the verb "Ross" means.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
As in, the BHGP dictionary
To Ross
verb to appeal or impress by displaying literary ability and knowledge of Iowa-related martial contests on the internet.
To shame unruly internet posters with well-timed and rhetorically-unassailable rebukes.
Man, Give Eddie a Beer just Rossed all over that troll from OBNUG.
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Thanks,
that was some very Lycurgical Rossing right there.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
As he should.
Heathens the lot of them.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 3, 2012
on fucking fire, Ly. On Fire.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
would expect nothing less
from a Wartburg man
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
Go Knights!
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
well done lyurgus
3 greens in a row
lmlions21 - February 3, 2012
i like the idea of a BHGP Dictionary
OhioHawk - February 4, 2012
Let us keep that one in mind then
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
How would that work?
We cannot even agree on the correct pronunciation of “LOL”.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Two versions
One for LOHL apologists and one for LOHL haters.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
Lycurgadamicus, my lyrics are bottomless.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 3, 2012
Ain't no party like my nana's tea party! Hey! Ho!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 4, 2012
Try to be more constructive with your feedback!
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
KOK was moved and wanted to contribute to the melodrama.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
This off-season is becoming as exciting as last year
Though in a much less craptastic way.
brock_tune - February 3, 2012
I wonder if this is the reason why
the new DC hasn’t been announced yet? KF busy interviewing for both spots…
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
Well..its certainly understandable..
These are the two biggest hires he’s had to make since becoming coach.
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
KF did say he's been thinking through a bunch of different scenarios
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
There has been rampant speculation
That a major staff shakeup could be coming post-NSD. And…here we go.
nhradar - February 3, 2012
Be careful what you wish for
Best of luck to KOK. As mentioned above, he seems like a very decent man. I have been about as vocal as anyone in wanting him to go. I guess we’re about to find out if he really was what ailed the offense.
Plus, now Ross & Patrick have fuel for an entirely new series of articles.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Hooray!
RossWB - February 3, 2012
Boo-ray!
JK
BentNotBroken - February 4, 2012
Any Chance...
That KF would actually go outside the Hawkeye “family” if you will?
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Any Chance...
It’s junior senior time?!?!!?
McNutterButter - February 3, 2012
Jacobi answered this question
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
KF and Bielema
fight it out for Norvell? or is he staying at OU?
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
"Big Baby" Bielema
is such a douche
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
sometimes I’m sadden to the fact that he was a former Hawkeye
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
This stuff with the recruiting makes the whole conference look a little bad
or, at least, worse than we normally look
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Isn't Miami in the market for a QB?
Make a trade for Stanzi, get the band back together!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
And checking headlines for Stanzi news revealed this interesting photo:
from Arrowhead Addict on the QB competition this summer.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Tom Brady wants YOU to quarterback America
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
rec'd
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
I was also thinking
“I see your girlfriend didn’t make you cut your hair.”
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Yes, Ricky..you too can marry a Victoria Secret supermodel someday....
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
It'll have to be a second marriage.
I don’t think Stanzi’s fiancee is a VS supermodel.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Ricky's got engaged?/
Didn’t hear about that one….who’s he marrying? Wonder Woman? Supergirl?
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Lady Liberty
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Well..gotta give him credit..
That chick looks good in a dress…
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Is he allowed to date a French girl?
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
only if France delivers her to Ricky as a gift
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
How about English?
The Bacon Explosion - February 3, 2012
Pipa'd
djwoody - February 3, 2012
Hay Pipa
Sucio.
hawk4trees - February 3, 2012
Would.
rockyh - February 4, 2012
I would butter her crumpet
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
You'd let her bangers your mash?
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Uh, wouldn't he bangers her mash?
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
That sounds like it leads to spotted dick
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Now you've got it.
By the way, spotted dick leads to producing cock-a-leekie soup.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
I've got it?
Crap, my wife is gonna be pissed.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Bollocks to all this!
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
you cunt!
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
yeaaaaah...
doesn’t really have the same charm without the thick cockney accent.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
It appears you are correct
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
I could see myself fishing for her chips
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
well...
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
NO PORN
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
Freedom is my aphrodesiac.
/Stanzi’s signature on his mythical BHGP account.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
You don't want to go near Moynihan. Trust me.
TheNakedBootlegger - February 3, 2012
Well, she was that bitch Natasha
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
Trust me. I would like it.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Will you tell Clayborn to stop killing Michigan QB's??
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
Some believe that Matt Flynn will be the next QB at Miami.
Especially now that Philbin is the HC.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
I hadn't heard that, but it does make sense.
He had that MONSTER game against the Lions week 17. I thought he was pretty good to be a backup.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
He probably won't be in Green Bay next year
The way all the contracts and rules and such work out, I guess it’s going to be near impossible to keep him.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Whoever the new guy is, I hope we blitz more
Whoops! Wrong thread!
Blackheartnopants - February 3, 2012 via Android app
Nope
Whoever the new guy is, I hope we pick up the blitz more
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
PICK UP THE BLITZ
TwistConePlease - February 3, 2012
here comes the blitz.
TwistConePlease - February 3, 2012
Vandenberg fumbles...
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
TACOPANTS
Nefarious - February 4, 2012
Where's Drugs?
I need something to cope with this.
FiveSecondRuleChef - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I don't know who this Drugs is.
But I’ll let you know if I see him or her.
TwistConePlease - February 3, 2012
I think DRUGS had the good sense to leave while his shtick/meme was still fresh.
Or he just wondered off down the street one day, and came to in a third-world jail.
Midnight Rambler - February 4, 2012
There is only one possibility...
DJK4OC
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
There's not enough DRUGS in the world...
for that to happen…
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
There was, until DJK found 'em
ZING!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Who could do more DRUGS...
DJK or Roy Marble…discuss..
FlyingDutchman1 - February 3, 2012
You.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Really bro?
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
aww, come on
you have to admit, the man would look dapper on the sidelines with a clip board and headset
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
#SWAG
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
I hope Bruce Davis simultaneously gives you a Dutch rub and a Dutch oven.
SomeJerkPoster - February 3, 2012
Now that's funny.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I have but one rec to give.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
This, so many times.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
This probably also means we'll hire a dedicated QB coach too
which I think means we’ll have to lose another coaching position somewhere.
Isn’t there a limit on how many coaches you can have?
HawKCP - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
nine
PSD - February 3, 2012
Is that German or something?
HawKCP - February 3, 2012
It's the trufes.
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Well, if Soup does become the OC, he could remain WR coach
kind of like KOK was OC/QB coach. So, not really a problem.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
Or Phil could be DC/DB coach
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Both of those sound quite plausible
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I really don't want PP as the DC, that would definitely be good to have two good coaches...
… respected and established as position coaches.
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
I could live with that.
Especially after seeing the difference at WR pre-Soup and post-Soup.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 3, 2012
Did you forget about guys like
Mo Brown, Clinton Solomon, Ed Hinkel?
Soup is a fine coach, and McNutt and DJK did excellent. But acting like the all Iowa WRs were shit just because Grigsby couldn’t catch and Cleveland and Douglas were idiots doesn’t really seem fair to me.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Sure Iowa had good receivers before Soup, but they weren't re-writing the records book like McNutt & DJK did.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Soup also seemed to cure Brodell of the stone hands syndrome that had affected him
No small feat that
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Those earlier guys didn't have the "good fortune" of
2/3 of the other WRs committing felonies.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Did you forget about guys like: LOL, LOL, LOL?
Yes, we did. Those guys were good. Soup’s guys are at another level.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Mo Brown was better than DJK
I really believe this.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I'll rec to that.
HawkeyeInExile - February 3, 2012
Mo Brown had one good season.
DJK was a stud for 4 years.
Not really much of a comparison.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
Except
that Mo’s “one good season” was better than any season DJK had.
DJK
Receptions. Yds. Avg. TD Lng
Freshman 38 482 12.7 2 38
Sophomore 44 639 14.5 3 59
Junior 45 750 18.4 2 66
Senior 46 745 16.2 10 70
Career 173 2,616 15.1 17 70
Brown
Year No. Yards Avg. TD Lng.
Freshman 0 0 0.0 0 0
Sophomore 3 42 14.0 0 17
Junior 48 966 20.1 11 65
Senior 33 507 15.2 4 44
Totals 84 1,515 18.0 15 65
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
DJK had longevity. Mo had better ability.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Yeah, let's just completely discount the fact
that DJK was playing alongside the greatest WR in Iowa history for his last 3 years.
And he still practically doubled Mo in yards and catches.
i_love_iowa - February 4, 2012
For a career? Yes,
but DJK was better than McNutt for a couple of those years. And we also had Jones & some other guy at TE when Brown blew up. Please stop.
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
For a career, yes
but DJK was better than McNutt for all but maybe one year together, and Mo had to share the field with CJ Jones and some hack at TE. Please stop
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
Jesus Fucking Christ, no one said "all Iowa WR's were shit" before soup.
Will you please, PLEASE stop reading into things. Can’t guys break all-time school careers records – and be acknowledged as good – without the previous players being shit? Saying Albert Pujols was amazing doesn’t imply Mark McGwire was shit.
/shitcockcuntballsdonkeypunchbarbarastreisand!!!
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
So now you hate Mark McGwire?
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Yes
BentNotBroken - February 3, 2012
Black and White!!!
I was a Cubs fan in the 90’s. I still am on,but I was one then, too.
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
Mark McGwire was shit. Now what?
DM_Purp - February 4, 2012
Well, when people were talking about the "difference before and after Soup",
and the recent guys happen to have played 3 to 4 years, does that really mean Soup is so awesome, or those guys are good?
What’s better? Jerry Rice’s position coach, or Wayne Chrebet’s?
I like Soup, and I respect what McNutt and DJK did. But I think we had good WRs and coaches before that, too.
And I’m sure you’ll get angry commence the name-calling shortly.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
sure
just stop putting words into others’ mouths and we’ll probably solve 65% of our differences
I can think Mo Brown and Ed Hinckel were really good and still think McNutt and DJK were better, can’t I?
tyger1147 - February 4, 2012
Sure. But I'm just not sure that definitively proves that Soup
is a better coach than whoever we had there before.
And Soup might be better. I’m not a Soup-hater.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Campbell's: It's M'mm M'mm Good!
EnergizerHawk - February 4, 2012
No one is saying that we didn't have good WRs before Soup
but you can’t look at the WR production the past 4 seasons and say there hasn’t been a fundamental improvement in the position. For Christ’s sake, McNutt just had, by any objective measure, the greatest single-season in Iowa football history. Couple that with the fact that he replaced his recently departed teammate atop many of the all-time lists, records that had stood for a decade or more were eclipsed TWICE in as many seasons. I have no doubt that, had Hinkel and Mo Brown been coached by Soup (and if Mo Brown could stay on the field), they would have been much more productive than they were. They were good, Soup could have made them great.
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
I say this about sandwiches sometimes.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
If we had a coach named chowder
I would agree with you
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
Soup is overrated.
There, I said what you’ve been wanting to say.
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
Just as long as you're talking about the Asst. Coach
and not the food because thems fight’n words around here.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
On one dinner I had in Puerto Nuevo, Baja Mexico
I went to the bathroom to wash my hands before the meal. The bathroom was small and sparse. No towels (no problem, wipe my hands on my jeans), a squat “toilet” (also not a problem), but having no soap to wash up after a long day in Mexico was a killer. I got back to the table and asked the waiter for soap. He nodded and returned with some of the best tortilla soup I’ve ever had (sopa). This made me happier than having actual soap.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
And the chef probably didn't even wash his hands when making it.
See, soap is overrated!
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
No, that was a bowl of soap.
It’s weird that you liked eating soap so much.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
I didn't say that, nothing even approaching it.
Not even in the same time zone. But you can’t tell me the the WR haven’t improved with Soup on board.
Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - February 4, 2012
I didn't really take exception to your comment
Soup is doing a great job. If McNutt isn’t the best Iowa receiver of all-time, he is, at the very least, one of my all-time favorites. And while I also like DJK despite how he ended his career, I think his stats benefited from the phenoma Chazz described above. He was our only option for a while there.
But I’m also a big fan of Hinkel, Mo Brown, CJ Jones, Solomon and a few others. So I don’t think we were devoid of talent pre-Soup either.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
let's not forget
That Chuck Long is without debate our best quarterback in the last 80 years(Post Nile). Long played in a pass happy Hayden offense while both DJK and the Nutter set records after that period. I don’t think it is a stretch to say those last two played in more a “run first” offensive mind set.
We have had great receivers in the past and Soup is making our current guys much better.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
I second the hate of SBNation sometimes
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
Chuck Long was the greatest passing QB Iowa has ever seen, by a lot. CL also played in a pass happy, Hayden offense. Then DJK and McNutt came along and broke those records.
We have had great receivers, Soup is making them better.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
don't forget
Holloway. His one catch will always be my favorite.
Vandy's Mom Digs Me - February 4, 2012 via iPhone app
Generally, in life change is good.
It can be painful but good in the long run. I’m shitting my pants with both fear and giddiness.
FiveSecondRuleChef - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I kinda hate change though
I think I’m like Ferentz
GuttedSnowBird - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
I learned my lesson with Dr. Tom
I wanted him out so we could get beyond the first round of the NCAA’s more often. That really worked out great.
Brock Sampson - February 3, 2012
Except that Dr. Tom never lost in the 1st round
Brock8144 - February 3, 2012
/holds breath, waits for Brock fight
It’s the Brocks. They’re emerging.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
I tried to instigate a Zach fight in a post-game thread once.
Maybe we can get the Zachs to fight the Brocks. Or maybe one Brock and one Zach per side in mixed tag action!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Wait, I'm here. Am I too late?
brock_tune - February 3, 2012
Triple threat match!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
BROCK EM SOCK EM BROBOTS
rockyh - February 4, 2012
Is your handle a Mr. Belvedere Fan Club reference?
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Why, yes it is
brock_tune - February 4, 2012
Holy crap. Deep pull.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Oh it's on!
Brock8144 - February 3, 2012
haha seriously
Of all the complaints you could have about Dr. Tom you pick literally the least accurate one.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Yeah, I know, that's what I meant to say
Me English not so good tonight.
Brock Sampson - February 3, 2012
NO! It's a Brock fight to the death, damn it!
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Kinda hard to work up much rage when I'm so clearly incorrect
Also I haven’t had any beer tonight.
Brock Sampson - February 3, 2012
Of course, in the long run
We’re all dead.
I think this change will be good, we’d become for too stagnant, on both sides of the ball, in both approach and thinking. But in the short-term, this is going to be painful. But very excited what 2013 may bring.
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I think we'll miss KOK at some points in the coming seasons.
Plus, he’s a class act. Anyway, the picture in the Gazette article gave me an idea.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
Just think
Iowa grabs Brian Ferentz, Jim Hermann, and LeVar Woods gets promoted. Kirk Ferentz is a former NFL guy.
With all those NFL guys, imagine how many NFL General Managers will have on speed-dial…
/Hoiberg’d
Nickhawk08 - February 3, 2012
the way Ferentz is respected by NFL owners etc.
his coaching staff should attract talented coaches with long term aspirations. I’d think he’d be a helluva reference on a resume.
PSD - February 3, 2012
I can get behind this plan
as long as we don’t start bringing in d-bags like the football equivalent of Royce White.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
HE OVERCAME ADVERSITY
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
From our latest QB commit
who switched to Iowa after Ole Miss switched OCs
PSD - February 3, 2012
To be fair, he switched to Iowa after Ole Miss changed their HC.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
ah, yes
sorry
PSD - February 3, 2012
and the fact that
Freeze is a spread option guy and Beathard is a pro style QB
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
For some reason, this was the first time I read his name as "Beat Hard"
I’m disappointed that my immature mind had not picked up on this sooner
Xarin - February 3, 2012
I was literally just typing "Heh Heh Heh. Beat. Hard."
in my best Beavis and Butthead voice.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Don't beat so hard on yourself over it.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
No worries there
The OC posting might as well say “advocates of the spread need not apply”
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
from Howe
PSD - February 3, 2012
Hmm
I wonder when he asked KOK that.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
just guessing
but he did visit last weekend right?
PSD - February 3, 2012
I can see it all happening in a day or two
They all know each other, they have a long phone conversation, maybe a day trip to Miami and it’s a done deal.
CJ needs to settle down, he’ll be fine.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
I don't think he's freaking out.
It’s probably a bit scary when your position coach leaves 3 days after you’ve signed an NLI. Howe probably reached out to Beathard’s dad and that was the quote he chose to run with.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Yeah I'd be interested to see the timeline on this
Did it really happen as fast as I think it did?
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
It sure seems fast,
kind of out of nowhere. Right after signing day…
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
I think the timing there was probably intentional
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
One high school visit too many for KOK
he must have said ’I’m too old for this s#!t, I’m taking my talents to South Beach.’
Chief Okemos - February 4, 2012
Safe to say a majority of us would do the same
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
Well that's pretty shitty
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Yes it is.
Probably the way it has to happen, but still shitty for the kid.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Yeah, I feel bad for Beathard.
I hope he’s all BFF with whomever we hire.
SomeJerkPoster - February 3, 2012
Why should the kid or his dad care?
He wanted to play in a pro-style offense at a major school in a good community with a head coach and offensive system that will be around for a long time. He still has al of those things.
Whether the guy calling the plays is named Joe Smith or Fuckface McPoopypants, who really cares?
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
I thought I read somewhere that he really hit it off with O’Keefe, and this is his second post-commitment coaching staff change.
Also, I’m pretty sure McPoopypants has it in for him.
SomeJerkPoster - February 3, 2012
yeah what the heck why would he be mad that the guy who recruited him left a day after he signed
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
I just found my new handle. I want to be Fuckface McPoopypants.
txhawkeye - February 3, 2012
Oh, you weren't aware of Fuckface?
The heir to the throne of the McPoopypants empire?
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
So he develops this HUGE bond with a guy in what, like a week?
Iowa had literally never even talked to this kid until a week ago. He has had maybe 2 conversations with KOK in his entire life.
Spare me the drama kid and welcome to big time college athletics.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
Non sequitur
I have no idea what’s going on.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Man, the kids really get fucked over in your version.
Don’t let Bolden transfer AND tough luck for Beathard that KOK bolts? You must be a defensive line coach.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
...
At a name brand university?
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
For some reason
I thought “Coach T.J. Maxx” when I read this.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
I meant it in a "hates QBs and is on the coaching side of the player/coach relationship"
not meant to be a Coach K reference.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
And yet,
this seems to fall into the “dear God, let one or two of the remaining offensive coaches take this kid under their wing, to help him feel like staying around.”
Because it is possible (not necessarily probable, but possible) that that is a bit weak (Coker, Derby, McCall, a few others) in our coaching staff right now.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Well, you know, because Ken O'Keefe HAS been good at developing QB's...
…and you know, an offensive coordinator and position coach do actually, like, do things and, um, you know, matter and stuff.
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
See; recruiting.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Consider the source on this, but
PSD - February 3, 2012
Pat Harty
is a smut peddler. He is a poopy head. How many B1G AD’s are on that list? Pat wouldn’t include that information because it’s relevant and doesn’t throw Iowa into a panic.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Sounds like Pat is upset that nobody is paying attention to him
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
You'd think he'd be used to that by now
Xarin - February 3, 2012
I'm not sure this would even upset me that much
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
StoopsMyAss
will do a little dance if it’s true.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Dan Gable for Athletic Director!!
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Yes, please.
But Harty is still a poopy butt and a media whore.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Careful. I think he's friends with Captain Steve!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
I'm drawing a blank...
Captain Steve? Sorry.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
DJ that insulated BHGP
as being hack wanna be journalists who live in the mother’s basements.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
After stealing their material
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
Ah yes.
So two people I think are booger-eaters.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Back Story!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
For the record, Pat's BHGP soccer jersey
has the name “Captain Steve” on the back.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Dan Gable for ALL the athletic positions!
Xarin - February 3, 2012
Thank you for the generous donation
now drop and give me 25
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
there's this
PSD - February 3, 2012
Dan Gable for... ATHLETE/ATHLETICS/ATHLETICISM/ETC.
Basically…
one will be an Gable
one will compete in Gables
one will have Gableism
and so on and so forth
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Oh dear god, yes. All of this.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
ooh, me likey
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Can we please make this happen?
clayborn2run - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I would have a permanent smile on my face
for all the right AND wrong reasons.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
armbars?
all around!!!!
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
If you displease him you have to work out with him in his
Barn
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
the commercial prior
was as anti-Gable as possible.
This video is awesome.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
This is everything I love about Dan Gable
kythom - February 4, 2012
It is amazing
Rambler showed me that.
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
FIngers crossed!
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Fallout from how the Coker situation was handled?
Would he take Sally with him?
IowaFan81 - February 3, 2012
The fallout from the Coker situation
will be limited to the team losing a running back.If Sally or Gary leave, it’s because they want to.
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
And an O. C.
GuttedSnowBird - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
If you have any proof that KOK was forced out over the Coker situation, show it
otherwise that is one of the dumbest statements in this entire situation.
Flakbait - February 4, 2012
Marcus Fuller threw a ton of shit at the wall to see if anything would stick.
There was one reasonable name in an article that listed 10. Barta, among others, were terrifyingly stupid.
WhiteSpeedReceiver - February 3, 2012
would he take licklighter with him?
OhioHawk - February 4, 2012
I think Ferentz is preparing Iowa for Post-Ferentz.
He wants to be known not just as a great coach, but as the coach who built a program for sustained success. Coaches, NFL players, etc.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
I wanted to say something like this.
And then, I realized that we now have no coordinators, and our only promotion/hire was a guy that played at Iowa (LeVar) and has been here as an administrative assistant or GA for three years.
Doesn’t really spell “NFL Influx-storm” to me. Yet.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Well I'm obviously "the guy" for saying dumb shit on the board here.
So send me a private email when you want something posted through me. I’m used to people shitting on my thoughts.
In all honesty, Ferentz has a lot of people who would coach here. I’m not concerned, and I think he’s going to do right by the program for the future. He loves Iowa, loves Iowa City, he wants this to be a national program for years after he’s gone. Looks like that will happen, but I agree that the hires will be importatnt. And by hires I mean promotions of Soup and Phil.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
I am not afraid to say my own dumb shit, thank you very much.
And please, take it from me, you’re just going to get ragged on sometimes around here. Just try to roll with it and not take it too personally, and refine your thoughts and opinions. You’ll enjoy this place much more if you can do so.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
did you two just have a virtual hug?
BHGP – Hugging it out since 2007!
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
Besties
txhawkeye - February 4, 2012
Hang in there, bb!
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
If the implication is that he urged those guys to leave Iowa, I don't buy it.
If that thought is completely independent of the coordinators leaving, I would.
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
I don't think he was urging them to leave.
I think they all know they won’t be around forever, and Ferentz is going to bring in people are the next group of coaches to coach here. Fry had a try, there was mention of a Ferentz Sappling earlier….I think there’s some merit to that. He always says if it’s a good move he’d support it, and I never thought I’d see Ken leave.
Like I said, he wants to leave a program in tact, and having a bunch of 65 year old coaches isn’t the way to do it.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Except that
unless someone is promoted to take over as coach, pretty much anybody that takes over will bring an entirely new staff anyway. Not to mention that many times if one guy is promoted, many of the others on staff may take offense and leave (similar to what it sounds like may happen on the defensive side).
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
Interesting that at the Polar Plunge
It was Doyle. Not Ken. Just saying…..
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
maybe that's why he left
the polar plunge was a deal breaker
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
Damn this is cold
I’m moving to Miami
Flakbait - February 3, 2012
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
That is all.
NileKinnickIronman - February 3, 2012
Official release
Football Offensive Coordinator O’Keefe Resigns
PSD - February 3, 2012
wait...you mean he's back?
#re-signs
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
HOLY SHIT
stanzi's ex-girlfriend - February 3, 2012
Wow
That’s all I can muster at this moment. I think I am ok with him leaving, but I’m a little afraid that it wasn’t his doing that resulted in the conservative playcalling tendencies. I guess we will be finding out shortly.
ninerhawk - February 3, 2012
haha, great headline by Hlas
http://thegazette.com/2012/02/03/ken-okeefe-taking-his-talents-to-south-beach-miami-anyway/
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
Ha!
Good write-up too. This part, I think, could be true:
We barely knew the guy (because KF limited the coordinators’ exposure to the media) and yet he was everyone’s punching bag. I don’t know…but I guess we’ll soon have an idea where the playcalling buck stopped.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
He did seem to come across well on those weeks when the coordinators talked to the media
rupertj - February 3, 2012
Well the general offensive scheme was almost certainly on Kirk
He’s said a bunch of times that this is the style of offense he prefers, and KOK ran a much more wide open offense in his stops prior to Iowa. The play-calling within that was probably mostly on O’Keefe though.
I definitely do not doubt that he was a really good guy though.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
good guy does not necessarily mean good at his job
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
or vice versa
/Saban’d
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
No, but you might cut a guy a bit more slack if you realize he's likable
rather than if he’s some quasi-anonymous guy we see once a week, I guess, is the point. I don’t know if I actually have a point.
I don’t think he deserves all the criticism he gets, and starting with a fresh coordinator could be good, but it could also be rocky for a year or two. So my feelings are all mixed-up.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
fair enough
I think being a good guy kept him on longer than he should have been, but I suppose that’s all, um, supposition until we see what happens with our offense in the next few years
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
That's probably true too.
Being a good guy endeared him to the coaching staff (and recruits-he was evidently a good recruiter, too), and maybe kept him around longer, but we as fans didn’t get to see much of that.
I’m not celebrating his moving on, but I’m not mourning it either I guess. I’ll just grab a beer and see what happens next…
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
This is correct.
If he was Charlie Weis, that “Fire KOK” petition would have had a hundred thousand signatures.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
Yes, that's a good read.
There is someone in the world named Joe Person. !
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
Sounds like the alter ego of a comic book character written by a really lazy author.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Generic Coaching Comment: Soup to OC
Chuck Long to QB. I’ve never heard anyone say he wasn’t a good QB coach…they just said he wasn’t good at anything else.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
I don't think Kirk and Chuck got along especially well the one year Chuck worked for him
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
Yeah, I've heard Long didn't exactly like working a lot of hours
or something to that effect
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
"Chuck Long to QB. I’ve never heard anyone say he wasn’t a good QB coach"
Except, um, Kirk Ferentz, who told him to get the fuck out of dodge.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
I am SHG, and I endorse this statement.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Holy shit!
TWWL is reporting it now too. I have been asking for this for years and now that its happened, I’m at a loss for words…
6 seconds of hell - February 3, 2012
anyone watching michigan get jobbed in wrestling OT against OSU here?
Argulor - February 3, 2012
Is it wrong of me to request the "Move Your Feet" happy victory video in reaction to this news?
Just asking…
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
See: the three other places people have mentioned Junior Senior already in this thread
Xarin - February 3, 2012
Great minds think alike
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
Except no.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
I think the real question here is
what does this do to our random reverse production
6 seconds of hell - February 3, 2012
we find another way to get a whopping 7 yards
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
7 yards is a bad amount to get on one play?
rupertj - February 3, 2012
it is when it's your best "trick" play
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
Only when it's 3rd and 8.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
agreed.
see: ISU 2011.
3 and 9, end around with McNutt gets 6. Punt.
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
Well if that happened there then it never works!
clay-born to party - February 3, 2012
It worked all the time!!!
KOK for best genius offensive coordinator!!!
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Three words.
Snap directly to Florida-back.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Incorrect. The only direct snap is to the WesWelkerback.
txhawkeye - February 3, 2012
Excuse me
End around. And WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE GUYS WHO RAN THEM!
chitownhawkeye - February 3, 2012
Do you suppose Brian wants to come to Iowa?
I like my dad, but I’d probably want to make my own way. But that’s just me. Maybe Brian working for Belichick shows his willingness to leverage his dad’s influence (and I don’t necessarily think there’s anything wrong with that).
TheCornballer - February 3, 2012
Brian could have the upper hand just by saying "Dad, Bill would have done it my way"
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
Right now, it is a bit of a tough decision.
B Ferentz has had quite a bit of success and promotions in the last 3 or 4 years. And, he’s the oldest child (or son, at least) and, having spent his childhood in other places, may or may not love Iowa as much as Kirk possibly does? If Brian works hard and things go well, he could be head coach of New England in 5 or 8 years.
But, if he loves Iowa, and he is really confident in his abilties, then maybe he could do the same here, particularly with the possible “nepotism/Dad-sets-me-up-to-take-over” addition. But, he’s still going to have to wait 4 or 5 or 8 years.
Personally, if I’m Brian, I think I have to take the Patriot’s job as far as it can take me. How often do you get a Hall-of-Fame QB throwing to your TEs? Also, you can get a college head-coaching gig later on from being an NFL assistant. But, you probably won’t get an NFL head gig unless you’ve had sustained success as a college head coach, or as an NFL assistant.
Also, heavy hangs the head that wears the crown, and whatnot.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
I can't believe I'm writing this
But I am in complete agreement with everything Chazz wrote here.
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
2012, dude. 2012.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
If people actually think b ferentz
Will be new England’s hc in 5 to 8 years are crazy. Bill belichek has cloned himself already and is raising himself in the basement of patriot place. But seriously, not ever going to happen.
Nature Boy - February 4, 2012
Okay.
So who IS going to be?
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
From the local media
It appears Josh McDaniels is back for specifically that reason. People like Ferentz around here but he is not even technically the TE coach yet, just an “offensive assistant”.
Nature Boy - February 5, 2012
Weird comparison but
How did that succession plan work out for Jay Paterno?
Not saying there will be another situation like the PSU one (please God no) but if KF would have a couple of bad seasons at the end the prospects of BF taking over would be remote at best.
I would guess that if he really, really wanted to be Iowa’s HC he should ride the NFL for as long as possible and jump with a succession plan in place when he joins the staff.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
How often does a guy get a chance to work with his dad?
That can be good or bad, but this is probably the only opportunity for it to happen unless KF takes a head NFL job.
HawkeyeRecon - February 4, 2012
every time dad owns the business
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Let's not forget that Brian has been, officially, an assistant coach
for all of one season. Prior to this season, he was an “offensive coaching assistant” (helping with the TEs I believe) but did not have position-specific responsibilities and authority until this year. Now, it seems the Belichick/the Patriots organization thinks highly of BF, but it’s way, WAAAAY to early for him to be realistically thought of as an offensive coordinator at the major college level.
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Just another excuse for the upcoming crappy season.
Every loss will be prefixed with the “two new coordinators, what do you expect” raison d’etre.
Oh well, you wanted change… you got it.
Stay thirsty, my friends. - February 3, 2012
your optimism is so refreshing
IAinCA - February 3, 2012
Next season won't be a good one regardless of who's coaching
The only position groups we’re not rebuilding are linebackers and quarterback.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012 via mobile
sounds a bit like 2009!
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I admire your optimism
But the 2011 defense wasn’t quite the 2008 defense.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
What?
We were a pre-season Top 25 team going into 09.
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
stop bringing truth to rain on my parade!
(and that was just because of how we finished 08 anyway)
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Right and because a bunch of people responsible for that finish were back in 09
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
you are taking a far too literal stance on my joking statement
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I'm excited for the future.
But not necessarily because I’m happy that KOK is gone. Iowa football could become very different, and I’m excited about the unknown.
Looking back, I feel like we’ll all (or at least me) think better of KOK. On a micro level, game to game, play to play level, KOK’s play calling was often really frustrating. But we had some great quarterbacks and some great seasons (usually few blowouts though, which matters sometimes).
I will raise my drink to KOK tonight to honor the things I liked about him. I will have more beers to celebrate the things that I didn’t like about him.
TwistConePlease - February 3, 2012
here here!
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
This caps my overly odd day
First it was my last day in Photolithography before becoming a Metrology lead engineer (like a boss).
Next our CEO died flying his plane (no link since I’m mobiling—just google Mircon CEO).
Now this…
BoiseHawk - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I may be twisted for asking
but best news of the day for you was….?
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
The official word on the 8k raise
You question did give me a chuckle though.
BoiseHawk - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I think I know what photolithography is
What’s metrology? Do you just measure things?
Crazy about the CEO. We own SNDK and when MU halted I thought it was getting bought or something. STAY AWAY FROM SMALL PRIVATE PLANES, RICH PEOPLE!!!
Notclevr - February 3, 2012 via iPhone app
Yes...measurement central
We are in charge of all sorts of measurements…
Critical dimensions…size of pattern
Registration…overlay of lower pattern to current pattern
Scatterometry…optical critical dimensions, profile, trench depths
Thin films thickness…variety of techniques
Plus even more stuff like dopant concentrations.
Boise news has been all over this story.
Agree with the small planes…especially if you already crashed once.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Well congrats on the promotion anyway
Notclevr - February 4, 2012
Thanks
It is exciting, but at the same time it will be different having people that work for me now. Having their career development in my hands and all that comes with that.
I’m sure I’ll do fine, as I feel like I’ve been a leader throughout my life. This is just way more real than being a leader on a school project or on a non-important sports team, I’ll owe it to them to really step up to the responsibility.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012
Hmm
My purely speculative read on this says KOK might’ve just thought Joe Philbin—who just lost a son and has his first head coaching position—needed a good friend with him (or Joe Philbin thought that and KOK obliged).
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
You have so much information
Lycurgus - February 3, 2012
Not really. I did say it was pure speculation.
Just putting a few things together.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
Or,
just spitballing, Kirk thought since he needed one new coordinator, what better time than to just replace the other one as well? Our offense hasn’t exactly been trending upward, and maybe Kirk knew that something was going to have to change eventually, so why not do one complete overhaul now? And he liked Ken, so he hooked him up nicely with Philbin in the League in a city near his daughter, so everybody wins.
Give Eddie a Beer - February 3, 2012
The chauvinist in me wants to say:
“Except, Philbin and KOK aren’t women.”
But I’m going to stay classy, and not say that.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Good thing you didn't say that.
HawkeyeInExile - February 3, 2012
No kidding
He might have offended someone. No one ever says anything that might be considered offensive around here.
kythom - February 3, 2012
Since I don't speak meme and my computer doesn't have sarcasm font...
It’s hard to tell if this is also a joke, but for the record, I thought Chazz’s comment was funny in a “Looks like dog shit, smells like dog shit, tastes like dog shit. Good thing we didn’t step in it.” Cheech and Chong sort of way. Not offended.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Yes, that was a joke.
My computer doesn’t have sarcasm font either. Guess we should both update to a newer model. But I enjoyed Chazz’s comment as well.
kythom - February 4, 2012
> 2012
> Making sexist comments on a blog
ISHYDDT
Jon Berg - February 4, 2012
Meh.
If I make them to just be mean, that’s one thing.
But, I usually try to limit my sexism to stuff that has some pretty harmless humor. It’s not like I’m a boss requesting some “favors.”
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
What about the reverse?
Won’t someone please think about the reverses?!!!!
C.I.owA - February 3, 2012
*end-around
/chitwonhawkeye’d
hawktalker - February 3, 2012
I'm not sure I've ever been verb'd like that
I kind of like it.
chitownhawkeye - February 3, 2012
Remember way back on Jan 31st when Iowa released this?
Continuity Matters, Particularly in College Football
PSD - February 3, 2012
Yeah, they really sell that coaching stabillity angle to recruits too
And then 3 coaches leave in the span of 2 months.
Captain n Diet Coker - February 3, 2012
Meh.
Parker is 70 years old, KOK is 58. I’d think most recruits should have expected to see one or the other or both leave within 5 years.
And, I wonder how “dyed in the wool” Kaz really was in being a Hawk. Seems like if I was a recruit, and asked for an older D-Lineman’s honest opinion, I might be able to foresee a significant possibility that Kaz wouldn’t be there for the next 5 years.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Still, they sold that and nearly every recruit mentioned the stability as a reason for wanting to go there.
tyger1147 - February 3, 2012
Well, you have to sell what you can.
But it doesn’t change reality. With Ferentz now the Dean of Big Ten Coaches, it just means he could be the next one to not still be there in 3 or 4 or 5 years.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
That was so 3 days ago.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Will KOK be magically erased from all highlight videos now?
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
rec'd
PSD - February 3, 2012
yep. and green.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Highlights of the KOK offense?
Do you mean the end arounds?
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
OK, someone give me a list of candidates
justsomehawkeyefan - February 3, 2012
Major Applewhite.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Wow, that's obscure. What about Gino Toretta?
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
Um...
Major Applewhite is actually a coach though.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Yeah, jk. Hey, if it happens you are way ahead of the curve.
Epihawk - February 3, 2012
Yeah I'm totally joking
If we’re talking Major Applewhite why not Jason White? He know something about knee injuries and that seems to be a problem around here…
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
I see your major and raise you a colonel
Specifically, the Colonel. No, I don’t care that he’s dead, just get him.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
We could run a very slippery offense
with all that chicken grease.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
we could go with Colonel Tom Parker
name recognition and all. Getting everyone hooked on pain killers wouldn’t be such a winning game plan though.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
The Zooker!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Mike Martz
Have to put a roof on Kinnick first, though.
Brock Sampson - February 3, 2012
I was hoping Jim Caldwell
But then I saw he just took the QB coach job with the Ravens. It would be a long shot, but he’s got the program ties.
DJK's bongwater - February 4, 2012
Jim Caldwell is a terrible coach
Exhibit A: 2011 Indianapolis Colts
Jon Berg - February 4, 2012
He's a terrible coach because he couldn't win with an injury riddled team?
Caldwell coached his way to the Super Bowl two years ago. Not to mention that he was Peyton Manning’s QB coach for 7 years. I believe he did a passable job coaching Manning.
DJK's bongwater - February 4, 2012
I'm not sure Peyton Manning needs a whole lot of coaching
Literally the only reason people want to hire him is that he went to Iowa which is just the dumbest reason.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
That team was/is Manning as OC, hope the defense doesn't shit down their leg too much.
The entire front office and coaching for the last decade has been over-rated and allowed to hang on too long because Peyton was so damn good that he lifted everyone else.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
I'm not really advocating for him
But he’s been a coach in the NFL and college for over 30 years, has HC experience in both leagues. And has ties to Iowa. We could probably do worse.
rupertj - February 4, 2012
Yep.
And, he helped (or at least didn’t stop them from) Indy making a Super Bowl.
The guy ain’t Lombardi, but he also isn’t complete shit, either.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Jim Caldwell is the Jon Gruden redux
He only made it to the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s team. At least Gruden won it with Dungy’s players.
Jon Berg - February 4, 2012
And was really helped out
that he was playing his own former team coached by a former assistant who, apparently, didn’t change much of anything from when Gruden left, right down the the audibles/teminology
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Oh, I see. We’re playing this game where we pick one bad thing as an example of how horrible something is. I’m not sure that having a horrible year as a head coach means he’s a bad coach. Maybe you could argue he’s not a great head coach if you want, but people are not talking about making him a head coach. I feel like he coached a good QB in Indy…
rupertj - February 4, 2012
Ok, let's point out numerous failings
Jim Caldwell was the head coach of Wake Forest from 1993-2000. He had a career record of 26-63 with one winning season (7-5 in 1999).
Also, Peyton Manning is a phenomenal talent. Being his QB coach does not make you a good coach. It makes you lucky. I will say that I may have exaggerated my point above saying the Colts’ record this year is all his fault. It was a combined effort of him and Irsay not having a capable backup QB or decent running game ready.
Jon Berg - February 4, 2012
While there is no overstating how important talent is
position coaches wouldn’t exist if they weren’t important. How many pitchers went from wash-outs to staff aces under Dave Duncan at St. Louis? Different sport but perhaps the position most similar when talking about the “you either have talent or don’t” argument.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Hindenberg
This is why I do not travel by airship.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
One famous flaming disaster and you go running for the hills
Typical over-reaction.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
I prefer private railcar
When I travel, I travel like a wealthy villain in a steampunk adventure.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Haha
Rec.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
In my mental image
you are rocking a pretty amazing mustache
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
If I didn't have the upper lip of a 12 year old boy, I would totally rock a handlebar 'stash.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Ha
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
So do I
but that’s just because I’m an heir to the Tunt railroad fortune and can travel in unparalleled opulence via the rails
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Airship?
mikjones24 - February 4, 2012
What scares me
OKeefe seemed one of the few people able to get Ferentz to change his mind. if not for him, I don’t know if Stanzi would have ever replaced Jake. I also always got the impression that whenever they did open it (see no huddle this year) that it came from O’Keefe. Granted Ferentz would shut it down as soon as it did not work one time, but I fear it would have never happened without OKeefe.
This is not say that I don’t think this could be a good thing. I just hope whoever is brought in is allowed to change it up a little with his own style and he isn’t completely subservient to KF’s wishes
three and out the kok story - February 3, 2012
Is any of this
from actual real-life information? Or just based on perceptions/internet comments/speculation?
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Internet gossip.
We, as fans, complaing how airtight the program and coaches are when it comes to internal affairs. Then, the next day, we claim to know everything about why a coach left or why a player doesn’t play. Okay…..
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
Complete speculation
As far as Stanzi/Jake, I have memory of OKeefe being pretty upset when Jake went in during the PItt game and Kirk saying after the game that it was his call.
three and out the kok story - February 4, 2012
Kokaine
is much easier to find in Miami.
LowcountryHawk - February 3, 2012
When and where is the going away partay??
Stay thirsty, my friends. - February 3, 2012
Kat O'Keefe! I'll miss you most!
SomeJerkPoster - February 3, 2012
you are quickly becoming one of my favorite commenters of late
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I think the reason KOK was never much of a playcaller
Was because he was being forced by Ferentz to run a pro-style offense when that wasn’t really his style.
Hopefully the new hire will be one who prefers working within a pro-style system.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
Lloyd Carr?
/about 5% serious
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
Carr was a defensive coach prior to becoming the HC at Michigan, and he's 66..
So more like 0%
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
/screeee
//crack
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 5, 2012
He was a pretty good playcaller in 2002 (and other years).
With KOK leaving, this internet meme needs to stop. It’s cute when he’s your coach, but once he’s gone it’s really just mean. And KOK doesn’t deserve that, mainly because it’s not true.
Eyeheartfreedumb - February 5, 2012
Maybe I missed it somewhere earlier, but does anyone think the timing of this
is in any way coincidental? A couple days after getting 20+ recruits to sign on the dotted line KOK announces he’s leaving. I might not be thrilled if i was one of those players.
DananHughesUrDaddy - February 3, 2012
if i was a QB or yes
O line is there for Ferentz most likely, RBs and WRs are there for potentially early starting time (and WRs are also there for SOUP), Defense knew the D coordinator deal before hand.
the only guys who are overly pissed are probably Beathard and Sokol i would think
justsomehawkeyefan - February 3, 2012
Obiously, the choice of successor will have an impact as well.
DananHughesUrDaddy - February 3, 2012
yeah
but in terms of negative impact, i think its overall pretty minimal outside of the QBs
justsomehawkeyefan - February 3, 2012
might have been a positive for Darboh
two sides to every coin
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Maybe. If Soup and the recent success of DJK & McNutt weren't enough, then I'm not sure he ever seriously considered Iowa.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
probably true.
was just sayin’
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Was Darboh a QB in high school?
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
WR
and Hartlieb’s kid was the QB
Chuck helped coach a bit while he was at DCHS, maybe Ferentz will go after him for OC (note: this is a joke)
PSD - February 3, 2012
Like with the Schwartz.
Bucketochicken - February 3, 2012
the Schwartz?
PSD - February 3, 2012
SPACEBALLS THE FLAMETHROWER
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
The kids love that one!
Bucketochicken - February 3, 2012
And there is a decent chance
that neither of those guys was going to play this year, and if they did play in 2013, it would be after out-dueling Rudock.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Up is down! Down is up!
HawkeyeRecon - February 3, 2012
Dogs and cats living together!
Mass hysteria!!!!!
The Bacon Explosion - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I'll go ahead and be *that guy.
I’m gonna miss him.
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
Dear Ken O'Keefe,
Don’t forget the good times.
Sincerely,
55-0
HawkeyeInExile - February 3, 2012
Agreed.
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
And...GREEN
djwoody - February 4, 2012
62-10 over jNW was a pretty good one too.
As was almost every other game that year.
2004, winning with nothing but Drew Tate moxie, should probably be recognized as well.
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 4, 2012
2004 Iowa 33-7 Ohio St
Possibly my favorite game ever.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
my fav game in kinnick in the last 20 for sure
OhioHawk - February 4, 2012
24-14 OB
still goes down as one hell of a DC and OC game plan.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
One of these days,
I’m going to need to watch my 2002 “Touchdown Iowa” Highlight Tape. What a season!
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
This is fear simply for fear's sake
Not all change is bad, not all longevity is good. And vice versa as well, of course. But this particular change has needed to happen for a couple years.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Clearly KOK just wanted to keep coaching Marvin McNutt.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
Think the Fins end up with him?
I would be down with that
Brock8144 - February 3, 2012
Is Prater a problem at DB? Is it time to fire Ferentz?
These are the issues we’re still supposed to be discussing, per my banner ad!
IPeeBlackAndGold - February 3, 2012
ABP extension
KilometersDavis - February 3, 2012
what's Tim Dwight doing these days?
He knew a thing or two abt offense.
clayborn2run - February 3, 2012 via mobile
And he knows how to sell liquor to college kids.
And, according to rumors, how to continue to pick up young women in IC.
How can this plan fail?
/I’m sorry, but I think I’d have to see Dwight coach something at the college level, first.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
This is terrible.
It may be the worst thing to ever happen to Iowa football. I’ll pray for you in your dark hour, Big Tenemies.
WhiteSpeedReceiver - February 3, 2012
oh
we’ll get by
thanks for the T’s and P’s
PSD - February 3, 2012
Thanks.
If we get really depressed, at least we could be consoled by a tape of the 55-0 game.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
The KOK press release only mentions passing
We didn’t run the ball this year, did we?
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
Dude that's nothing, we only had 2516 yards of total offense in 2010! That's less than 200 yds/game!
No wonder this O’Keefe guy got canned.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
I was referencing Coker being erased from history. I was kind of oblique
I think we’ll miss KOK.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
I was referencing DJK, Coker, and Robinson being erased from history.
…
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
I think most of my jokes on here go over people's heads.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
it's an intelligent crowd here.
Might want to make jokes somebody besides yourself can understand then.
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I thought most people would realize we gained more than 200 yards per game in 2010
Guess not.
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 3, 2012
I was with you, 99.
nhradar - February 4, 2012
Sometimes, I hate sbnation. This is one of those times.
There wasn’t even an error! I just posted once!
nhradar - February 4, 2012
that individual has been stricken from the record
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
I say we hire coach Bud Kilmer for oc and dc
If he sucks, at least his daughter is hot. Honestly I hope we get a coach comfortable calling plays for a pro style offense. If not I hope we get to modern football and get a spread coach that is allowed to do his thing. Kf is more of a pro coach in the fact that he keeps his assistants on a tight leash. I think he would fare better letting his assistants do their job, and just step back and run the day to day stuff, instead of every aspect of the team. Just my opinion, whatever happens next year will be fun. Best of luck to ken in his future endeavors
eff bielema - February 3, 2012 via mobile
I would hate to see the spread or the pistol at Iowa. I’ve had to watch UNI implement the pistol, and it really takes the fun away, for me.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
My vote? Chuck Long as the new QB coach
as for who takes the Offense Coach, maybe Ferentz’s kid? maybe Soup gets promoted if he is as amazing as we make him out to be?
who knows. sure didnt see this coming.
justsomehawkeyefan - February 3, 2012
Soup gets job.
Brian fills empty spot. Bob Sanders for D coordinator. Also Ferentz replaces human legs with robot legs…..all is well.
Go Hawks!
Chabdul Hodgeway - February 3, 2012
Robot legs.
It’s the perfect plan.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
It's expensive, but it's worth it.
The Mexican't - February 3, 2012
'Bout time UIHC contributed something.
I mean, other than saving the lives of all those sick kids, burn victims, and cancer patients.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Hola Bruce Kittle?!?
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 3, 2012
Hola because I am in Cozumel and pretty sure this is all a tequila fueled dream
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 3, 2012
I am already sick of people mentioning Chuck Long and the coaching search is like 5 hours old
NorseHawk - February 3, 2012
So you're saying there's a chance...
That Chuck Long will be involved?
Chuck Long.
mikjones24 - February 3, 2012
Nope. Chuck Testa.
YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - February 3, 2012
Count it!
Kyle McCann't - February 5, 2012
So you're saying
you want Matt Rogers as OC?
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
I'm shedding a tear
for the passing of my fandom’s #1 scapegoat. KO’K is gonna do awesome things wherever he goes, even if he’s a frustrating nincompoop like he was here. A great coach, a great guy… Even if you cursed his name sometimes.
Smokin Herb Grigsby - February 3, 2012 via mobile
i_love_iowa - February 3, 2012
So this Brian Bennett guy is kind of not so smart
“.And few folks were complaining about O’Keefe when Stanzi led the Hawkeyes to an Orange Bowl win or when Banks guided the team to the Rose Bowl in the 2002 season.”
Really not that hard to Google things Brian
White Lightning - February 3, 2012
Rose Bowl?
who went to the Rose Bowl? whats the Rose Bowl? did you go to the Rose Bowl? I didn’t go to the Rose Bowl?
odiE- - February 3, 2012
HEY! Stop saying Rose Bowl in there!
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
Oklahoma had a Brad Banks, too? Neat!
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Definitely #TeamRittenberg over here.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
Hypothetical Conversation: February, 2007
Ring, ring.
Ring, ring.
Ring, ring.
“This is Bill. Go.”
“Bill! Kirk here. How’s it going buddy”
“Hey Kirk, going great. Just looking at Tom’s wife on TMZ. Lucky guy.”
“Say, Bill, got a favor to ask….it’s about Brian. I was wondering…..do you think you could, you know, sort of….well….do you think you could get him a job?”
“Say what.”
“Well, I’ve been thinking….I’m not getting younger, and we know that Ken takes so much shit from our fans he’s bound to get fed up……you know, just give him a foot in the door. Show him the ropes, the right way. The Patriots Way. I’m thinking maybe before I hang up the whistle and playbook, it would be great to have him on staff here at Iowa…..”
“I see where you’re going with this…you got it buddy. What’s his number?”
“Really? That’s great!! Hey, Brian!!! Bill wants to talk to you!!”
hawkinsandmelrose - February 3, 2012
That Bill is one solid dude.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
Crap.
Well, KOK play calling made up at least 50% of my comedy material when I’m with my hawk buddies. Damn, no schtick.
LoganSq2DBQ - February 3, 2012
This brings to mind a certain Jessie Spano scene about being so excited and so scared.
hawk4trees - February 3, 2012
i was overcome with happiness at this news.
yes, this will be a couple chaotic years, but i think once this years recruits and coaches get a few years, we will be a mighty fine football program. hopefully no more 3 yd hooks on 3rd and long or running draw plays all 3 downs for a combined 5 yards. i plan to watch every game this year in hopes of some entertaining, holy-crap-i-ACTUALLY-didnt-see-that-coming, big play football.
lmlions21 - February 3, 2012
Kok is tired of this as well
Hence why he left
Nature Boy - February 3, 2012
Yeah. What a bunch of shit.
All it got us was 6 bowl wins, 2 shares of Big Ten Titles, a Davey O’Brien Award, a Mackey Award, and a Doak Walker Award. Who needs those annoyances?
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
Hooray for extremist point of views!
This comment is every bit as annoying as the comment it’s referring to.
RossWB - February 4, 2012
Boo.
Hoo.
Are you really saying we can’t be extremist or exaggerating in our comments or posts anymore? And if so, when did this become the ATO of the Iowa River?
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Whatever, Chazz.
Let me know when you come back from Hyperbolea and want to have a real conversation.
RossWB - February 6, 2012
I'm not feeling this comment at all.
hkobb7 - February 4, 2012
Try using your hands
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Holy crap.
I leave BHGP alone for one day and this happens? WHAT?
EnergizerHawk - February 3, 2012
That'll teach ya
kythom - February 3, 2012
Screw it.
I’ll be interested to see what happens. Just wish I had a six pack of beer or a bag of popcorn so I could properly digest this thread. As it is, I’ll have to do without and while I’m in bed.
EnergizerHawk - February 3, 2012
I posted this image up there, but it didn't work. The one thing Dropbox doesn't do, I guess.
hkobb7 - February 3, 2012
GET TO THE CHOPPER
therealCatnuts - February 3, 2012
As a Hawk fan, this leaves me nervous but excited.
As a Dolphins fan, it leaves me confused.
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012 via mobile
Yeah.
The Phins need to hit a home run with their next QB, so I understand they might not want to roll the dice with O’Keefe there.
But WRs? With Brandon Marshall? I guess if it works, then great, and if it doesn’t, then you have an expendable coach to send packing after Marshall stabs 4 of his team-mates.
WaterlooChazz - February 3, 2012
KOK is the great misunderstood coach of our time
But know this fans, he’ll make Robert Griffin a great back-up QB in Miami. No one does it better.
StoopsMyAss - February 3, 2012
Is this a slap at KOK,
or an actual attempt at a compliment? Because I think RG3 has about a 66% chance to be a career backup, anyway.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
I think RGIII is better than Cam Newton
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
with the right coaching of course
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I kind of hope you are correct.
I guess if Alex Smith can come back from the dead, perhaps RG3 can be better than I think he will.
And I hope Cam Newton goes shit-house post haste.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
RGIII is crazy accurate
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Yeah, he has the arm to be good in the NFL.
Maybe not PManning/Brady/Rogers great, but good.
I just hope they don’t make him run as much as Newton did/does. I wonder how long RG3 can handle getting clipped by NFL LBs.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
RG3s only downside is he’s maaaaybe 5’10". Not a killer, but not as good as 6’6".
txhawkeye - February 4, 2012
Sounds like Drew Brees' height
That’s a tough bar to set, but I don’t think short stature is an absolute killer
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
It's not an absolute killer, but it does matter
People can talk about Brees until they’re blue in the face but he’s very much the exception.
Griffin is listed at 6’2" though, so I don’t think he’s quite that tiny.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
There have been other exceptions that did well
Doug Flutie
Mike Vick
…struggling to think of others
But yes, it’s a tough thing to overcome with the average OL/DL is 6’5" now.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Doug Flutie was pretty bad
The only QBs under 6 feet to make multiple pro bowls are Brees, Vick, Theismann, and Tarkenton
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
If I’m not mistaken, it was Baylor that lists him at 6’2". I think Griffin is a fantastic talent – but there’s not way he’s six feet tall.
txhawkeye - February 4, 2012
FUCK == “no”
txhawkeye - February 4, 2012
Pretty sure he was measured somewhere recently
and was no more than 1/2 inch less than his listed height. Brees is 6’ or 6’1". I realize heights and weights are often overstated…but these dudes are not that small.
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
Shit-house? Not me.
$1 pick-up in my fantasy auction! Between him and Gronkowski, I’ve got the two best keeper values in my league.
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
that is a pretty damn bold statement
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Cam Newton is good, don't get me wrong
but I bet RGIII will be better over the long haul. More accurate, less reckless, as good of an arm. Newton, I have a feeling, is going to settle in at the Mike VIck (this year’s version) level. Fun to watch. Dangerous against some teams. Highlight reel. Not a big winner late in the year.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
If you're right, that's a pretty good NFL player in RG3
I think you’re a little low on Newton’s ceiling, but I get where you’re coming from
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
I'll agree with most of it
but RGIII doesn’t have Newton’s arm. That’s not a knock – Newton is right there with Stafford for the best in the league. That kid could throw it through a brick wall.
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
I would put a decent amount of cash on Brian now...
this opens everything up…literally everything. This is KF’s moment. I hope he goes for it.
StoopsMyAss - February 3, 2012
Goes for it with Brian?
that, to me, shows an incredible lack of vision.
HoyaGoon - February 3, 2012
Why? the guy is on the cutting edge
his only knock is he is related to Ferentz, and frankly without that (which led to him playing here of course) he’d never even look at Iowa.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
College football is going through a paradigm shift right now
and too many programs don’t get it. This is a chance to really move this program out of the offensive dark ages.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I think we now know that KOK was likely hired days ago, or almost immediately after JP was hired
and he stayed on to secure the recruits. The waiting by Ferentz speaks volumes.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Wait a minute.
We’re going to embrace the paradigm shift by hiring the coach’s son, a TEs coach, with no college coaching experience, from the Belichick regime?
Does that whole sentence sound as absurd to anyone else as it does to me?
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Look at the whole Belichick tree my friend
and yes, coaching is coaching and he was seriously considered as the next guy to call plays for the best QB of the last decade. If you think that’s silly then let your freak flag fly.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
He called plays for Peyton Manning?
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Manning isn't even the best Manning
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I suppose you prefer Taryn Manning
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
actually...Mario Manning
ham
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
That has to be the first time I can imagine people in Pennsylvania
cursing at the sight of the word “ham”.
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
haha what
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
you're watching too much ESPN
that recent meme is laughably dumb
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Next year there would be maybe five or six GMs that would select Peyton over Eli
if Peyton gets a 100% clean bill of health and there were such a thing as an open draft. I never said “all-time,” but right now Eli’s better. It’s debatable, but I side with the Eli crowd.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Peyton is still much, much better. It's not even close IMO
But if I’m a GM I probably also would gamble on 10 more years of Eli vs a realistic chance Peyton never plays again. That’s just risk management. I just didn’t think that was the discussion you were having.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
If I had to win one game, I'm of the opinion that I would gamble with Eli before Peyton.
Eli seems to man up pretty well in clutch games. Peyton doesn’t do it quite as well.
Swarley - February 4, 2012
Not clutch?!?
Someone owes Peyton an apology.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Try this again
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Admit it,
you’re a fan of Cooper
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
I'm not sure "was seriously considered to call plays for Brady"
means as much as we think. I’m not sure it DOESN’T mean much, either.
Brian might very well be a “great-future-coach.” I’m just not sure he’s as revolutionary as you portray.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
Watch a break down of the Pats offense with anyone who knows football....they're breaking ground and
it is a passing version of KF’s tight end centric wet dream.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
To a certain extent,
aren’t they forced to focus on the TEs in New England, because Welker is the only other “reliable” offensive weapon (non-QB) they have? And because they have an HOF QB?
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
welker is a product of the system
no one, and I mean no one, gave two shits about him coming out of college.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
He was pretty good before he got there too
People didn’t give a shit of him out of college because he’s tiny, not because he’s bad. He was a great college player and a solid player in Miami. New England has done a nice job accentuating his positives but he’s not purely a product of the system.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
He's got a position named after him
that’s pretty good.
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
The TEs scheme they use
Is a great way to leverage offensive advantage in a no huddle offense, where the defense has to be allowed to substitute if the offense does. However I do not see the point in the college game…since you could substitute without issue
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
it's the dual use of a superb blocker and receiver
I would not expect teams to line up safeties on our TE’s so we would still get the mismatch or run it out of the spread and kill them. Like Brady did against the JEts who refused to put in LBs.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Good point as well
The versatility they bring would prove useful even in a huddle offense. Of course those guys are freaks…but you wouldnt have to have guys that good in college.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
I think, right now, we may have two freaks
ready to go (CJ, Hamilton)
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I sort of hope
that any new OC at Iowa realizes what he (possibly) has at the TE position. I’d like to see if we can come close to unleashing Moeaki/Reisner part deux on the Big Ten.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
When you talk about "substituting without issue," are you referring to on offense or defense?
99FormationsButFourWideAin'tOne - February 4, 2012
Offense
My thought being that in college you can just go no huddle and switch personel to create mismstches. In the NFL you cant do that as easily.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Maybe I don't get it because I haven't followed Brian's career post-Iowa
But I really don’t get it. How many 28 year old OC’s are there out there? Is he really an experienced and qualified candidate after a few years with the Patriots?
If he got the job, he’d be working entirely in his dad’s shadow. If things worked out people would still say he only got the job because of his dad. That hardly benefits BF in developing his career. And, if things didn’t work out, they’d probably both get canned.
Personally, I’m not a fan of nepotism in coaching. I don’t think that hire would be good for anyone.
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Lane Kiffin ran USC's offense at 29
with arguably less quality experience.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
But with considerable more animal magnetism.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
I know in my heart KF will not have the balls to do this
but we are so late in the hiring game he might have to hire his son and then use him as a beard, by giving another on the staff the title while Brian really calls the shots.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I have the balls to call plays for Mrs. Kiffin.
djwoody - February 4, 2012
But do you have the plays to call balls for Mrs. Kiffin?
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
Just my impression
but Mr. Kiffin is like Puddy without “The Move”
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
Brian has spent 4 (maybe) years at football's MIT
He’s worked tape, scouted and worked as a position coach. Playcalling duties are easier (somewhat) in college than in the pros. Four years with Belichick are worth 6 or 8 elsewhere.
I’d feel OK if Kirk handed him the playchart, especially if Iowa gets an old hand to call defenses.
Blackheartnopants - February 4, 2012 via Android app
Just as long as he can get the play call in
with more than 8 seconds left on the play clock, we will be doing okay
Lycurgus - February 4, 2012
People say this but then every single former New England assistant is terrible after they leave
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
The only one that's been absolutely terrible is Weis
I think there’s a lot of good to be said for McDaniels and Crennel, but they may have had their accomplishments squashed by the fact that they’re not Belichick (and they don’t have Tom Brady)
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Mangini?
He flamed out not once, but at two separate places
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
He's been a position coach
for ONE FRAKKIN YEAR! If his last name were anything other than “Ferentz” this conversation wouldn’t be had at all.
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Truth
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Not the best evidence for your case, in my opinion
HawkeyeInExile - February 4, 2012
Really?
He coached under Al freaking Davis, which has been shown to be such a dysfunctional organization that any coaching accomplishments or failures there must be swept under the rug (see: Jackson, Hue – fired after 1 season at 8-8, and yes, I realize Davis is gone, but the crazy remains). And now, he’s got USC back in the title hunt. The dude can coach.
Brock8144 - February 4, 2012
What he lacked in experience
He quickly made up for in violations.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
I get the hatred, he's an ass
but he’s an example of a coach not being conventional and it working out
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Going for two early
Is stupid. Unless your kicker is broken.
Otherwise I think he has proven to be a good coach.
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
He was clearly a good OC when he was with USC...the numbers bear it out
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Totally agreed
And he didnt get to go for two there much either…
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
I think he's growing up
which is too bad. I liked his adolescent fuck ups.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Never thought I would say this
But i almost miss usc dominance…mostly just b/c fuck the sec
BoiseHawk - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Numbers are great when you have Leinart, White, Bush, Jarrett his first year
And no Trojan fan was particularly excited about the Sark/Kiffin playcalling. A lot of people thought it cost them mNTs two years in a row.
Most fans were not excited about his hire, but are much happier now.
kurthy - February 4, 2012 via mobile
yeah, those guys have torn it up at the next level
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
Being a crappy pro, doesn't mean you sucked in college
Unless you’re saying Brad Banks was shit and Tom Brady was the best Michgan QB ever. Leinart has the accuracy but he doesn’t have any arm strength to be a pro QB.
When Kiffin and Sark took over for Chow, Leinart had already won the Heisman and Bush finished 5th. It’s not hard to produce numbers when you’ve got that kind of talent returning. Also most of his playcalling that season was as predictable as KOK’s but KOK didn’t have Bush to run a reverse.
kurthy - February 4, 2012 via mobile
Plus
Kiffin did almost not of the actual play calling
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
I'm arguing those guys were made good by good coaching and good playcalling
as was banks. Once left solely to their talent, they came up short.
StoopsMyAss - February 4, 2012
I would agree with you if they hadn't been great college players before Kiffin
The year before Kiffin became co-OC, he was a WR coach and Leinart won the Heisman. I would argue that Leinart had all the same weapons returning from the previous year when he was coached by Norm Chow (who has coached at least 3 Heisman winning QBs). Kiffin and Sark did nothing but almost lose to ND and a couple others and lose to Texas and Oregon State.
kurthy - February 4, 2012 via mobile
I don't know what team you are talking about
because if they had beaten TExas just about everyone in the football world was ready to call them the greatest team in college football history. Leinart lost to Bush for the Heisman, finished third. Notre Dame was ranked #9 and playing at home and they still beat them. They had a bullseye all year and lost on one of the greatest performance in Rose Bowl history, not because of their offense, but because of their defense.
StoopsMyAss - February 6, 2012
I love this comment.
WaterlooChazz - February 4, 2012
He was also co-OC
and, rumor has it, was more of the recruiter rather than Xs and Os coach of the offense which was done by the guy at University of Washington
HoyaGoon - February 4, 2012
Time to polish up my resume
I’ll finish one more season then load up the XBox 360 & head to Iowa City in the morning.
Triple option & only Iowa recruits.
If Heisman level & virtual mythical national championships don’t impress, I don’t know what will.
DoYouLoveHawksorHate'Merica? - February 4, 2012
I tried this when I applied for the DC spot
They were sadly not impressed.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
Hey, you don't know that.
It’s not Wednesday yet.
hkobb7 - February 4, 2012
I got a form e-mail telling me that I did not have the necessary qualifications
Apparently leading the country in fewest yards and points allowed for 10 consecutive years is not sufficiently impressive.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
You really did apply? That's awesome.
therealCatnuts - February 4, 2012
Yeah, after they posted it publicly
It was taking so long I figured I might have a shot. Alas.
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
Should have told them your master plan
Of setting the difficulty level to Freshman. They probably hadn’t even thought of that.
DisplacedHawkeye82 - February 4, 2012
My plan to recruit a bunch of 2* athletes who run 4.4s and move them to DE never fails
NorseHawk - February 4, 2012
But we already don't played in the SEC.
/SEC’d
SomeJerkPoster - February 4, 2012
but that's defense
offense is totally an XBox 360 thing – KF is going to LOVE this!
The Bacon Explosion - February 4, 2012
ONSIDE ALL OF THE KICKS!
Kyle McCann't - February 4, 2012
So, it's morning and this still happened
I was okay waiting for Norm’s replacement, but I am antsy now for us to get all the new coaches in place
rupertj - February 4, 2012
The real question is
how does HFMR feel now that his roommate is moving the Miami?
Jon Berg - February 4, 2012
Only one acceptable answer
Roadtrip!
chitownhawkeye - February 4, 2012
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