Black Heart Gold Pants

SaturdayMorningKegStanzis - January 10, 2012 reply

well quite easy

Post-Greene running backs do exist if even in a temporary state. Lickliter-era point guards (or any type of basketball players for that matter) are more of a myth like the unicorn.

Who said in the last thread

that Iowa RBs = Spinal Tap drummers. That’s about as apt as it gets

Der

Or I could just take the 3 seconds and look. Nickhawk08, all the credit is yours.

The story tags

They summarize what is going through my head

iowaChemE - January 10, 2012 reply

I second this

This is a ride that I would very much like to get off

ClaybornSmash - January 10, 2012 reply

I think Sherlock might have a lead for finding the missing offense

for the football team at least.

2LastNameWideReceiver - January 10, 2012 reply

I am performing an exorcism of the AIRBHG right now.

Iowa just needs to abandon the RB position

just go with 10 men on the field for offense, not like KOK would realize the difference anyways

IrishHawkeye7 - January 10, 2012 reply

Well we can abandon the power running game now and just let Vandenberg chuck it from the shotgun.

(looking for positives)

so long as its a home game

is there a point to road games now?

IrishHawkeye7 - January 10, 2012 reply

5 wide, all the time

Flakbait - January 10, 2012 reply

and let’s make 3 of the 5 TEs. Because Davis’ hands are not the bestest.

Does that mean Derby will be one of them?

AJ?

I meant Zachariah Derby, the other half of our hat-tastic TE combo.

I know – I was kidding, because, you know, AJ was a qb then punched out a bus window then announced he was a LB. Why not a TE?

AJDerby4Everywhere

#teamAJDerbyforIowaRB

#JamesMorris4IARB

One Night Stanzi - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

The MSU game wasn't exactly a gem, either.

I thought we were all Rudock fans now?

At least during the offseason we can convince ourselves Vandenberg is better than Stanzi again, I guess.

Isn't that what we were supposed to do this year

Now if only we could pick up a blitz

Ed Podolak of Good Judgement - January 10, 2012 reply

Fuck me in the goat ass.

Shit.

AIRBHG really whizzed that thing in there

YouCanPutYourEddsInIt - January 10, 2012 reply

He buttonhooked us, I didn't know he was going to buttonhook us.

He was fucking beating us loud, eh?

He’s got this new hickory stick and he really goes off with that thing

Fucking Roger Staubach over there

C.I.owA - January 10, 2012 reply

I don't know what the fuck this is but someone needs shot

not killed just kneecapped so you know not to trust the guy that limps… I can’t fucking believe this…

Grixxly - January 10, 2012 reply

All of you?

Suspended

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

I cant believe no leaks have happened out of this.

Either no one knows whats going on or the clamps are on tight.

HawkeyeBoiler - January 10, 2012 reply

so is it pretty much a guarantee this RB from Pennsylvania will start

as a freshman in 2012 (assuming he doesnt decommit)?

IrishHawkeye7 - January 10, 2012 reply

I'd say Canzeri is the leader right now.

He’ll probably put on at least 5 pounds of weight in the offseason and have a year of familiarity with the offense. Then Garmon, then Johnson as a darkhorse candidate.

Canzeri cannot see 20+ carries a game.

Or we will probably see a man die on the football field next year.

I think Garmon will see a lot of work next year, barring [insert AIRBHG-inflicted harm of your choice].

I was lamenting in my head that KOK (damn him) doesn’t use more than 1 RBs, but then he sort of did with the Jewel, Wegher, Robinson experience? Or was that happenstance? What a dumpster fire

And Fred Russell and Jermelle Lewis

And Albert Young and Damian Sims.

I don't remember Iowa ever actually having to manage the Jewel/Wegher/Robinson experience.

Wasn’t Jewel hurt during Wegher’s only season on campus?

Yeah, I think that’s actually why Wegher played. Didn’t get Jewel get hurt, again, really early in the year? It’s so hard to remember the timeline with Iowa RBs.

Hampton was hurt in the offseason before 2009.

That year was all A-Rob and Wegher (and Paki).

Then he was hurt in the Arizona game in 2010 (after Wegher was more or less gone).

I'd love to see him put on 20 pounds.

But it’s not realistic and probably not good for him. 5-10 is probably about right relative to his frame.

Ahh! Totally forgot to mention Dawson.

He’s just the kind of under-the-radar candidate AIRBHG would miss.

(Oh shit.)

YEAH, SURE HOPE NO ONE TELLS AIRBHG ABOUT OUR NEW RUNNING BACK, RICHARD DAWSON.

SomeJerkPoster - January 11, 2012 reply

Probably Canzeri

Garmon will get significant carries next year though. Canzeri, Bullock, Johnson, Garmon – they’d all better see carries next year. And they’ll get one or two more running backs, plus Malloy from Sioux City (who recently said he’d accept a walk-on role).

Not to mention we'll probably try to sign another back now, I'd imagine.

He will probably blow out his knee mowing his mom's lawn this spring

Garmon, that is

Gardening accident

Or tear up his ACL

With a weed whacker

Hank Thrasher - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

This

Made me throw up in my mouth a little.

bornofclay - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

I'm fairly certain that people know and are choosing not to release the information.

shocking that in iowa city nothing solid gets out though.

HawkeyeBoiler - January 10, 2012 reply

They've been eating a lot of greasy foods.

Probably to protect

I remember ESPN writing an article about “undisclosed suspensions.” Usually mask something NFL scouts would believe to be serious, but done for the benefit of the player’s future. Chris Ivory comes to mind as an example. Not trying to malign Coker’s character, but this kind of action has a precedent.

Iowa Running Backs=Spinal Tap Drummers

Canzeri to spontaneously combust next year. Hopefully we already had the gardening accident (Adam Robinson?).

Perhaps this is our mystery that is best left unsolved.

Lol

Shit Sandwich.

telepathetic - January 10, 2012 reply

Best review ever.

There isn't even mustard on this one

kythom - January 10, 2012 reply

We all have to eat the excrement sandwich from time to time.

Some days we get mayonnaise, some days we get mustard, and some days we have to eat it plain.

xtwin103x - January 10, 2012 reply

And some people choose to be proactive and just chomp down on the ass.

2LastNameWideReceiver - January 10, 2012 reply

You can't dust for vomit.

You just can’t.

Cubehead - January 10, 2012 reply

Look what happens when these guys leave and go someplace else,

nothing.

Not exactly

Case in point.

Bama Hawkeye - January 10, 2012 reply

Missouri Valley Conference.

Let’s just put that fire out before it has a chance.

That's still doing something.

Especially considering UNI was competing for a national title. It’s not as if Iowa dumps these kids and all of a sudden they have nothing to look forward to except moving furniture.

And the national champion (North Dakota State) is an MVFC school.

And UNI was damn good, too.

Did you really just use the MVC to prove a point?

Especially football.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Jacobs

I can think of one relevant MVC comparison

Yes, they are similarly sized backs.

Right. Because he's like every other back in the conference.

Thanks. I’m going to compare all B1G to Ron Dayne, all SEC backs to Hershel Walker. That okay with you?

He's another BCS transfer RB

I understand you’re pissed about Coker, but everyone else is too, so don’t be a douche. If Jewel’s knees are okay he will absolutely get a look from NFL scouts. He won’t have the same profile as if he’d stayed at Iowa, but he’s better than anyone else we have here. It’s not like all those RBs were spare parts.

The saddest for me is Robinson—I really do think concussions played a role in his life, and the college football system screwed him over worse than most.

Plus

the reason he went MVC is because he had already used his redshirt year. He couldn’t afford to blow another season sitting out to play at an FBS school.

Bama Hawkeye - January 10, 2012 reply

You're right, I'm being an ass.

Apologies all around.

2LastNameWideReceiver - January 10, 2012 reply

No worries, I kicked a dog

So fucking frustrating.

Notclevr - January 10, 2012 via iPhone app reply

I see what your saying.

I think stats like that would look better on a Big Ten team and to the guys at the next level.

What is that supposed to mean?

That’s such blatant… coach love I don’t know what to think.

Look what happens when these guys experience difficulties,

work their way out of them, and finish with their best effort.

J.R. Angle has a posse - January 10, 2012 reply

Return in 2013?

it said in the post that they thought he would return in 2013 was Coker to be suspended for the entire 2012 season?

No, I just fucked up.

BAN THIS MAN

Suspended

until 2013

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

I'm suspending myself for ordering a suspension

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

I'm suspending you for suspending me suspending myself.

Fuck it, we’re all suspended.

This is me right now.

You’re svelte

I wish.

What are you doing in Stanzi's living room?

Tell him we say hi.

Seconded

So I'm waiting for the joke.

This post was meant to be satirical, a la the post where Matt Gatens announced his transfer a couple of years ago?

snowpork - January 10, 2012 reply

LOL

PakiOMeara25 Paki Tanielu O’Meara
Man, I don’t remember this much of a fuss when I left the #Hawks haha

You gotta love Paki

When he isn’t actually getting carries, that is

ClaybornSmash - January 10, 2012 reply

Cal Poly Tech has a better astronomy program...

SPECULATION IN THIS THREAD LOOK AWAY

I still think it was academics. Too hard a major.

When I was a UI physics major

most of the turnover was after the first semester. ~50 kids went down to 25. But only eight of us graduated.

TheCornballer - January 10, 2012 reply

First semester in major = SO year, right?

No way you can do that plus 40 carries a game.

There are also stringent NCAA rules

On academic progress toward degree, so those classes can’t be deferred to later on or taken during the summers.

You would think

with the departures of McCall, Reiff, Raymon, Coker, and Grant as well as the graduating seniors and making Malloy a walk on instead of a scholarship player, we would be hearing about a big recruiting class with less than a month to signing day. Doesn’t seem to be.

Scholarships for all walk ons!

The class already has 17 verbals, which is right around where many people thought it would be

It’s now going to be much bigger than that. They’re still in on some 4-star guys.

I am pretty sure short of offering guys low on the list

you can’t just turn it on and find quality guys this late in the process. I forgot Coe didn’t make grades to get in.

Maybe the SESleeze is onto something with oversigning. Stupid B1G rules.

Coe can't come back until 2013.

Yeah, I meant I left him off the initial list of players that had rides and left

Sheesh, that's 4 of the top guys from the last recruiting class

They were a lot of the reason the past class was considered good.
/puts noose around neck

They're still in on 2 4-star offensive linemen from Colorado

They’re in the last 5 for both. And they are in the last two for a lineman from Kansas (Nate Lohn, I believe). Us vs. Stanford for him. And they’re after a few running backs, one of which is committed to BC but has opened it up. He’s highly-regarded and being recruited by OU now.

So no, you usually just don’t pull things like this out of the fire. But they’re still in on some good prospects. Some good players still haven’t decided yet.

Goodnight, sweet nocturnal canine prince of nose candy

(and I’ll toot my own horn one last time my part in coming up with Coked-up Werewolf—although I’m sure someone else would have made it there had I not. It was one of those organic open thread dealies.)

I’m happy to suit up as a fat, slow RB for 4 years, if it means breaking whatever curse we are under. I’ve already been in school for like 10 years, but I obviously haven’t used any football eligibility.

This sucks.

Do you really want to destroy your ACL(s)?

Meh, they're not being used much right now.

That hit me just right.

Bravo, Orson Wells/Gary Busey clap, and all that.

This happens so many times

I don’t even stress it.
But I sure wouldn’t want to be Lester Herb……nope.

J.R. Angle has a posse - January 10, 2012 reply

I am pretty sure you ment Lester Erb.....maybe not?

Correct. Erb

But with all the DJK, ARob, and Coker being thrown around the fumes made me light headed. Thanks for the catch!

It would be even WORSE to be Lester Herb, though.

Maybe, Coker and McCall both came to Iowa just to troll us. Conspiracy.

Boiler Up.

Bust my McNuttz - January 10, 2012 reply

Heard it on Coast to Coast!

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Space Ghost?

No.

A.M.

Last night during the Nat. Champ game they showed a voodoo witch or something...

so I’m pretty sure there’s a Hawkeye voodoo doll with a number in the 20s or 30s that was born shortly after Tate-to-Holloway.

chuck longs mom - January 10, 2012 reply

I blame Mike Hall...

he planted the seed

OR HE'S FROM THE FUTURE

Damn dirty time travelers…

Ever since this happened everything has been fucked up

Strait bullshit

the notorious r.d.m. - January 10, 2012 reply

Fun fact

First 3 Google results of “strait bullshit” redirect to BHGP

Definitely a fun fact

I'm pretty sure that Google now ranks search results according to factors like geographical location,

previous searches and clicks, and browsing history.

To find truly “pure” search results, you need to browse anonymously.

I live in Tennessee and am currently browsing anonymously in a separate browser

And the top three results for “strait bullshit” link to BHGP

Good, a useful data point. That's cool.

I was just sharing a factoid that kind of weirded me out when I heard it the other day.

It is amazing how much information Google has about you at any point in time

Ron Swanson calls strait bullshit on the googler

Maybe he was mad about Tom Bradley getting the DC job?

My namesake is gone

/I haz a sad

Yeah, now it's just a sad reminder of Hawkeyes of past.

I_am_Querulous_Yellow - January 10, 2012 reply

Uh-huh.

We discussed this. Persons objected.

Once more with feeling!#

The signs aren't pointing to this being the coaching staff's doing.

But hey, feel free to congratulate yourself.

I_am_Querulous_Yellow - January 10, 2012 reply

Consistent turnover and churn are always a function of management. Always.

"consistent"

Please note that these are 18-21 year olds. Shit happens. Looking at a uniform outcome (when its a binary choice) and saying “SEE?!?! PATTERNS!” is not good analysis. You need to know why in order to develop a case against someone on the staff.

Very good point.

Hell, I went to UNI my freshman year, totally convinced I was going to minor in music, then I found out a) how difficult that would be given the way the music program was structured, b) most music majors were assholes and c) it was nearly impossible to get laid by a cute girl at UNI.

So I transferred to Iowa, and things were MUCH better about a week into summer school :)

it was nearly impossible to get laid by a cute girl at UNI.

Despite my complete lack of game, I still managed to do it somewhat frequently, though not as often as I would have liked.

Yup, totally pumping myself up here. Anything to bring a little levity to this FUCK SHIT PISS CUNT situation.

I_am_Querulous_Yellow - January 10, 2012 reply

Sorry, management is paid, or not, based on your "binary outcomes".

Nobody gives a shit about the Stats 101 attribute analysis that you suggest is called for here. Management is paid to manage the attrributes.

Effective organizations do not consistently lose key players, ever.

I'm with this guy

And curious why more questions about the coaches’ roles aren’t raised. I’m also in favor of stats and it appears we are rapidly approaching a suitable sample size.

theflagshopisoutofstock - January 10, 2012 reply

I've tried to raise plenty of questions but often (always?) get shouted down.

It is my opinion that management is definitely at fault.

They are either causing players to leave, or they are recruiting players without the “character” to hack it.

Agreed.

Because it is Iowa,

how many elite athletes can you get that “have the character to hack it”? Probably less than you need.

Also, if a player doesn’t see much opportunity for playing time, or gets into trouble, does that all fall onto the coaches, or not? I’d lean not, but I’m sure it will be chalked up to my blind faith in Ferentz.

But they don't recruit elite athletes anyway!!!

They’re built on getting good character, high work-ethic guys who stick around and reach their full potential. You can’t recruit second-tier guys who ALSO don’t have the character to stick around or stick it out. You’ll never be better than 7-5 or 6-6 if you do that.

They can't take only under-the-radar or second-tier guys.

The fanbase will whine and moan more than they do now.

And, it is difficult to predict what a 17 to 23 year old boy/man is going to do. Iowa, ISU, and UNI have all had issues with this over the last few years.

I don’t know what the answer is, except to set clear expectations for behavior, and hold people accountable when they don’t meet them. Perhaps avoid being draconian except for the worst offenses (assaults, etc).

By any accounts anyone has

secondhand or otherwise, this one wasn’t on the staff. I think Coker’s post about being a Hawk for life, etc. would probably confirm this, as he probably wouldn’t be so prompt to post things like that if it were an acrimonious split.

Although he comments

that he was suspended for something he didn’t do. That sounds like he feels like the staff is unfairly punishing him, and it’s now become a stigma that he doesn’t feel he can get over. If KF is accusing him of a crime that he has not been proven guilty of, then IMO it is totally on the staff.

HawkAtHeart - January 11, 2012 reply

Who said it's KF that punished him?

Again, it was a University issue, not athletic department issue.

Captain n Diet Coker - January 11, 2012 reply

I don't think he thinks the staff (the football staff) is punishing him

This seems like an administration thing

Someone go find Sam Brownlee

he would lead us to the promiseland

White Lightning - January 10, 2012 reply

I thought Beutjer was the future

Not trying to be all speculatory but if it were grades or cheating related as to why he is leaving

would he even have been enrolled in classes? That’s why my bet is on his mom yanking him home.

As in they said he withdrew from his classes, so he obviously was still allowed to go to school there.

Failing classes and even cheating don't usually prevent you from re-enrolling

You might get probation, and you’d have to make up the credits to get a degree, but it’s not like Iowa is West Point or anything.

I think you're onto something. Momma doesn't appear happy.

And Randy Edsall does need players

But still. Ugh.

He's leaving for the sweet Uniforms @ Maryland. I knew it.

I'm willing to be to bet he's homesick...

And its possible whatever he did to fuck up the student code was very, very embarrassing. It will come out eventually, and we will either be saying “um, yeah, I guess we’re glad he’s not here” or “how the FUCK could you be so dumb?”

Is it wrong that I hope he forcibly sodomized Stephen Bloom?

I suppose it is. But it’s kind of a nice thought, considering it involves anal rape.

It's just hazing bro...

/Lisbon'd?

Okay, okay, might have crossed a line there

LOL

Sky High King - January 10, 2012 reply

Hunt this, bitch!

And oh... THIS MOTHERFUCKING SUCKS BIG HAIRY DONKEY BALLZ

Not to get you too excited, but AJ Derby was a goo high school running back for a year.

or good

I like goo.

Hey girlllll ;)

(waves back) Hey, how you doin'?

Call me when you get home…

/Friday’d

That one was right over my head..

In the movie "Friday"

There’s a great scene between Mrs. Jones and Mrs. Parker. It starts with, “Hey girl!”

Sorry. I needed to stop thinking, commenting, and obsessing about Mr. Coker. I no longer care. As my friend Robert always says when one of these guys quits on us, “Good! Fuck him! Next man in!”

And of course I don't really mean that.

I hope this works out for Coker. I know he loved Iowa and I loved watching him play. It’s just…sad.

Is your friend Robert

FlyingDutchman1?

Well, why not rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic then?

He played two ways in high school too

Does anyone know if he punted and kicked FGs?

He was the punter, not sure about kicker.

Mike Brownlee - January 10, 2012 reply

James Morris was a good HS RB for 3 years

/not sure what my point is

PAKI 2.0

Oh by no means am I insinuating Morris would be a great option there

people were throwing out names, and I didn’t want to be left out of the party

I'm just joking around

I’m not sure what Morris is cut out for in 2012, actually. I feel like Alston or Hitchens could supersede him by the end of the year, but that’s a conversation for August.

I doubt it.

I wouldn’t mind seeing what those guys can do. But, I’m pretty sure that, barring an injury to him, Morris will play most of-to-all of the time. I’m just not sure whether it will be at MLB or OLB.

Pretty sure Morris ends up back in the middle

and Hitchens takes over on the weakside (which I am 100% behind – I thought he played really well this year). Alston, I don’t think we’ve seen enough from. I think Morris fits better on the weakside, but I think in order to get our best 3 out there, putting him in the middle & Hitchens at WLB is the way to go.

Brock8144 - January 12, 2012 reply

It seemed to me that Morris was really poor at getting off blocks

Hitchens, despite his small size, did better (it seemed) at the Insight Bowl at this. But it’s January 12th, and damn it, I’m just going to pretend we’re fielding the Green Bay Packers next year for a little while.

hkobb7 - January 12, 2012 reply

Aren't Donkey's Eunuchs or whatever?

Mules dude are sterile given their creepy horse-donkey parents.

chuck longs mom - January 10, 2012 reply

Is he eligible for the draft this year?

No

And he wouldn’t be drafted anyway.

Everybody ready for a sub-.500 season?

I sure as shit am.

bornofclay - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Nope, I am not

Nor I

but this year was not good for me being a fan. I worry that next year won’t be either.

Let's just say Coker stayed, and then blew out his ACL in Spring practice

We’d be in the same shit sandwich we are right now.

chuck longs mom - January 10, 2012 reply

true that..better sooner than later

In some ways, Coker was impeding development of a #2 and #3 RB option as well

Part of that was Kirk’s caution, and part of it was our offense brain farting so much this season that at times Coker was the only thing moving the ball.

We will be OK. This is not like the Tate season where we really had no depth or talent at RB… now if Garmon doesn’t sign or gets hurt and Canzeri on down blows out their ACLs, then panic.

Someday, someday, I’ll learn how to post a picture. For this one, it was Kevin Bacon, All is Well.

Like this?

HawkAtHeart - January 11, 2012 reply

That’s it -

txhawkeye - January 11, 2012 reply

I like this optimistic TBC.

It’s like, when you’re shitting on the team next year, you can say: “Hey, I’m not ALWAYS down on the team.”

/kidding

... You could've just said "Without Coker, we're fucked"

I'm not,

as I have season tix.

Would be a bummer to see Iowa drop home games to ISU, or OMHR, or Minny, or PSU in a down year.

So...is Greg Garmon college ball ready?

I don’t see Canzeri, Bullock, or Johnson being able to much…

bornofclay - January 10, 2012 via mobile reply

Canzeri actually looked pretty good against Oklahoma for his first game.

He probably needs about 10 pounds gained, and he would be great for like 10 carries a game, especially like shotgun delays and draws and screens. Which probably won’t happen.

COME BACK FROM THE CLIFF!!

People of Black Heart Gold Pants: We have Canzeri, Bullock, Johnson, Dawson, Garmon, and White. Not to mention the fact that at least one more (Lynch or Reid) will commit. That’s up to 8 running backs returning (go fuck yourself AIRBHG, Hawkeys are going to find you and curb stomp your goddamn ass) next year.
Does it suck that Coker’s REALLY gone for reall (he was gone the day his suspension was announced, you don’t get a second chance for taking a test for someone else)? Yes. But if we recruited the above names, why would we not expect them to play at all OR be able to play at all? Recruit a handfull with the HOPE that ONE sticks? That’s not how it’s done. They can all play (maybe not White, sorry buddy) and will now get a chance to.

As I said, I’m so used to it it doesn’t even worry me. Did you hear that AIRBHG? Fuck you and your fucking friend AIDEHG (Angry Iowa Defensive End Hating God). I got some rings, a pipe, and a chain. Take your fucking pick.

Thanks, asshole

way to call out AIRBHG. Because he wasn’t quite enough of a vengeful prick up until now, you had to go and poke him with a stick.

I'd rather die on my feet

Than live on my knees.

Captain n Diet Coker - January 11, 2012 reply

FREEEDOMMM!

Samilcar - January 11, 2012 reply

Seriously, This.

We need to find out what fucking mythos spawned AIRBHG, and give Its nemesis whatever It wants.

Gold, virgin sacrifice, skybox, Maple Hot from the vine….I’m ready to pay.

Roosevelt - January 11, 2012 reply

Mmm, maple hot wings from the Vine

How I miss thee

If we really want to take AIRBHG down for good

We need to take him out.
For a night on the town. Give him/her/it the royal Iowa City treatment. While at the Deadwood, slip a balloon of herione in his/her/its coat pocket. Get him/her/it good a drunk, then go to Panchero’s and intentionally have him/her/it cut in line for his/her/it’s 2 lb burrito. Then slowly disappear as a mob of angry “we punch with our eyes closed” idiots close in and beat the shit out of him/her/it.

When the cops arrive, one of us prop up the girl sleeping on the curb in front of the Brown Bottle and tell her to yell “Hey! That’s the asshole who grabbed me! Kick his ass!”
In your face, AIRBHG.

hawkinsandmelrose - January 11, 2012 reply

Can I live on the couch?

I like to be comfortable.

chitownhawkeye - January 11, 2012 reply

I agree with nearly nothing HawkinsAndMelrose said today,

but I like this aggressive approach toward AIRBHG.

Cowering in fear from him/her obviously isn’t working. I don’t think we want to give purposeful sacrifices. And that leaves only one response: good old American street violence.

The last couple sentences reminds me of Home Alone, minus the swear words.

You hear me, Im not scared anymore! (Big scary snow shoveler comes into the picture(AIRBHG in this case)). AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Which therefore compares AIRBHG to Joe Pesci and that other guy.

Whic hmeans AIRBHG will trip over some jacks, slip on some ice, and get scared out of Iowa City by some very poor audio of a gangster movie.

“Keep the change you filthy animal.”

Hopefully the change AIRBHG keeps, from the team, is KOK

Rec

AIRBHG is going to get beat up by micro-machines, christmas ornaments on the floor, and a crow bar to the chest.

Or Joe Pesci from Goodfellas will come in and kill everybody in the fucking face

I would have liked Home Alone a million times more if Macaulay Culkin used “fuck” that much. Also, he dated Mila Kunis, so yeah.

/dafuck?.jpg

Le sigh...

The most Interesting Man In Da World for Heisman!!

Cagny - January 10, 2012 reply

Maybe...

He got into more trouble and would be suspended even further and the year would be a wash so it would be better to go elsewhere. Crap happens. We’ll probably never know.

Cagny - January 10, 2012 reply

Academic Probation=JUCO=Iowa Western=No thanks.

justsomehawkeyefan - January 10, 2012 reply

You know ...

Last night was a full moon.

Just throwing it out there.

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Wow

thats…….i mean………just……….um….

Canzeri, Coe, and Garmon 4 lyfe?

seriously, how do you get ALL your running backs to abandon your fucking school? how does that happen?

4 lyfe? How about "4 a zemezter"

If we all help him study

can we get Coe to take 45 Semester Hours worth of classes before next fall so he can transfer in? Maybe 30 in the spring and 15 in the summer?

Maybe Coker can help out and take a couple classes for him. Everyone needs to pitch in!

I laughed until I cried

Then I cried, and cried, and cried.

LOL'd!!

/the cries and goes into the fetal position

This wasn't a surprise to anyone other than us.

We all think that Ferentz and staff don’t have these things already on the radar. Just because they don’t spill the beans from day one doesn’t mean they didn’t know it was going to happen. Coker was expelled from school for academic fraud. You ain’t coming back after that, I am sure Barta and Ferentz were advise from the get go. If Sally Mason gets involved, that means she spoke with the Athletic Dept and Ferentz. Ferentz is obviously better at keeping a secret than we all thought/wished he was.

Easy on the speculation (true or not)

So how was he registered for classes then?

Brock Sampson - January 10, 2012 reply

So when you were in college you registered for classes one week before the semester?

Or at your early registration time. Registered in November. Like all students do. Get kicked out in December, after he registered.

He dropped his classes today, he didn't register today.

Per Dochterman’s tweet

Iowa AD Barta says Coker withdrew from UI, asked for his release this morning. Said he won’t “go into details” per Coker’s convo with KF

I don't know what to think

but that isn’t a very telling quote.

Wait, wasn't James Morris a RB?

Sign the boy up. After all, he IS a phenom.

Yeah, we seem to have

a lot of LB returning, the impossibly slow white Iowa RB is back baby!

He'll fit right in with AIRBHG

Seeing as his ankle appears to be made out of toothpicks, he’ll wreck his ankle after about 10 carries. So yeah, #JamesMorris4IARB!

The potential effect that this trend

and all the recent personnel issues all around the team could have on recruiting scares the poopsauce outta me.

You mean because it allowed us to get a 4 star RB?

Every good RB thinks he will be the one that works out, and I’m certainly hoping that’s the case.

Two 4-star and potentially 3 (Coe) that left the program.

It’s alarming, there’s no two ways about it. I doubt most recruits would think too much about it, but those that do might be afraid of that trend.

Eh.

Good recruits don’t care about battling other good recruits (or players) for playing time; I doubt they worry much about voodoo curses or speculative vengeful deities.

Well apparently they should start worrying

Brock Sampson - January 10, 2012 reply

That would be kind of awesome if they did. I want a RB that believes in Norwegian gods.

But what I was trying to say is this; if recruits do notice the trend of players leaving the program and the bad vibes surrounding it because of that, it could become an issue.

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

Yo Ross, you forgot the punchline for the joke you were making.

/waits
//crickets
///furk

So who is our RB coach anyway?

seriously, im close to wanting him fired just to see if our luck shifts. its starting to feel like more than a coincidence.

justsomehawkeyefan - January 10, 2012 reply

Lester Erb

Lester Erb

Lester Erb

/hattrick

Isn't our hat trick

AJ Derby (QB version) throwing to
TJ Fedorawitz and
Zach Derby?

Draw the play up. AJ takes the ball, throws a backward pass to Zach, who launches it to Fedorawitz.

When did we get another Fiedorowicz brother on the team?

EnergizerHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

Time for the Templeton boys (and ladies)

it’s going to be a loooong offseason.

Ross, could we please get a lot of posts on Coker and McCall running some sort of ridiculous scheme to take over the world posts please?

Ok...look

I’m fucking sorry…but this has gotten to the point of pure goddamn ridiculousness.

Where the fuck is Bloodpunch going to Ferentz and saying “what the fuck is going on with your program?”

Where is the UI Administration (ie Sally Mason) going to Bloodpunch and saying “what the fuck is going on with the football program”

Iowa makes more damn news for players that have left this program the past few years than what players have done on the field.

Its time for some serious investigation into this program. Things simply do NOT add up anymore.

Solution

Iowa could hire a director of player development…oh wait.

dsludo - January 10, 2012 reply

Also, THIS GUY!!!! Can't believe Coker fucking quit on his team.

Who says..

That Coker quit? For all we know..the UI may have told him—you should really go somewhere else.

The problem again..is that no one knows what the hell is going on inside the UI football program or the UI Athletic department. Its easier getting information out of the goddamn CIA than it is from the UI football program.

Something is going on that is either A. causing players to leave this program or B. there are two standards being used for players who mess up. You’ll recall that James Ferentz has not one, but TWO alcohol related offenses—he’s still here. Yet, Coker and McCall—are gone—yet, they have not been charged with any sort of criminal offenses.

There is SOMETHING going on in this program that needs to be investigated…

Your meds are calling

Please take them.

If you dont see a problem..

Fine. Turn a blind eye to the problem…see what that does for this program.

Accountability runs both ways my friend, both from players..but from the coaches as well.

Its becoming apparently clear that there are two sets of standards for players in the UI program….

I would agree that there seem to be multiple standards at work in responding to player misbehavior. Of course, we don't know all the details, but it seems like guys who fit the Ferentz mold get a lot more leeway.

How so?

When dealing with comparable offenses, it seems to be pretty consistent, I think

'Ferentz mold' players don't get in trouble.

As soon as you get in trouble, you’ve broken the mold! I don’t recall too many players getting off scot-free after getting in trouble. Even lil J Ferentz paid a stiff price for his indiscretions.

The Director - January 10, 2012 reply

I'm not sure being suspended

for the season that he was redshirting anyway really had that much effect on him

That was the first time.

The second time he missed a couple games, had to go to counseling, complete community service, and suspended from all team activities.

No, both occurred during his freshmen year

when he was redshirting. So again, there was no real detriment to him on the field.

Woops sorry misread the article.

Neither Coker nor McCall

were booted from the team. And by all accounts, the Coker issue was not related to the coaches. But I need to stop feeding

You need to stop thinking that anyone with a differing viewpoint than you is a troll, actually.

I didn't say anyone

he has quite a track record of it. But whatev

SaturdayMorningKegStanzis - January 11, 2012 reply

Yeah, the guy is a troll

and I don’t care what he is saying. He is a troll because the ONLY time he posts here is when something bad happens. Then he comes in and riles people up, you will never see him when things are going well.

no, he posts other times

he’s just so unmemorable and uninteresting when not being a troll that you might not have noticed

therealCatnuts - January 11, 2012 reply

I was mocking you, champ.

Exhibit Z

This exhibit z was for hawksinsandmelrose.

Or maybe they both fucking transferred, did you ever think of that one sonny?

Ferentz was suspended for both occasions. You’re just purely speculating that they were kicked off the team when it certainly, or most likely was their choice.

Yes...

Ferentz was suspended, so was Zach Derby..both were welcomed back with open arms..all was forgiven.

Robinson, Hampton, McCall, Coker—as soon as they were suspended—all were essentially dead to KF and the program. Yet..none of them were charged with any sort of criminal offense whatsoever.

Ferentz welcomed all but Robinson back, but they decided to transfer.

And Hampton transferred after two torn ACL’s. Maybe Ferentz and Derby actually manned up and took their punishment.

LOL...

I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you if you want to keep on believing the company line.

I'm sure you believe some other crazy conspiracies, is that you?

You're a riot.

SomeJerkPoster - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

I'd agree that something might seem to be wrong at Iowa

but one could make the case that 4 and 5 star guys leave Miami and USC and etc etc etc all the time, but we don’t hear about it because we don’t care about those schools as much and because they have a bevy of other 4 and 5 star guys.
It happens, and the shit sucks when it does.

Hey – let’s point at Tate Forcier and blame Michigan. Although that young man appears to have issues.

txhawkeye - January 11, 2012 reply

One of the really sad things about this

is that he may not have done anything wrong (at least he felt that way). In a Facebook post from last week he said “Everything happens for a reason..cant tell people i did something when i didnt. So hints y i never answered those questions. Anyway thanks everyone for the support especially hawknation and fam. Go hawks..hawk for life.”

justsomehawkeyefan - January 10, 2012 reply

well there it is

he used facebook. we all know Ferentz hates it when his players have lives and personalities!

Well..

again..this gets back to my point. There needs to be some serious investigation into the Iowa football program. Questions need to be answered. Things simply do NOT add up any longer.

LOL

THIS GUY!!!

is he a regular troll?

Something tells me I’ve seen him on hawkcentral.com.

Everytime someone leaves he throws a fit and DEMANDS ANSWERS!!!

The athletic department is self sufficient

due to the football program.

There. I answered. You all know that is the correct answer.

More accurately

ALL athletic departments are self-sufficient due to THEIR football programs.

Iowa State isn't.

And I’m sure there are other examples.

Not quite

lots still take state funds. We don’t, and until that changes, they will be given a great deal of latitude.

Almost no college athletic departments are self-sufficient

Only 22 or something absurd like that.

nerdhawk - January 10, 2012 reply

this

Very few departments are. Like less than a dozen, maybe.

Almost all need University funds to fill in the gaps.

Only one possibility remains: COLOMBIAN DRUG RING!

I didn’t know Mark Wahlberg’s character from The Other Guys commented here!

Why did you shoot Derek Jeter? He's a bi-racial angel! You should have shot AIRBHG!

What is this?

December 2010?

This is/you are ridiculous

People taking the side of 19-21 year olds over Kirk Ferentz. All of the football players have facebook, and they are still on the team. This has everything to do with the individual and nothing to do with Ferentz.

Yep: Ferentz really had it in for Coker. He used comments like “better person than a player” all the time, hiding his desire to ruin his life. Get a grip.

Plus like what does FlyingDutchman think is the problem that there needs to be an investigation?

I don’t think this is the case with Coker, but with some of the others I would bet it’s because they are self centered, egotistical babies.

Accountability...

runs both ways. Players should be held accountable..but so should the coaches and administration.

When you have so MANY players who have left this program in such a short amount of time…questions HAVE to start being asked.

It's confidential. And it's none of your fucking business what 18 to 22 year olds,

decide to do with their life.

I don't even need to say the words, a picture is worth 7 words.

clayborn snuck in there...

lmlions21 - January 10, 2012 reply

Ah yes..

That time honored line.. “its confidential”..

Really? Hmm..KF was saying as late as last week that he expected BOTH McCall and Coker to be back..then within days…both are gone.

So you want to try that again? Again…the line we get out of the UI program and reality…aren’t adding up anymore.

Because maybe KF told them he wanted them both back, but set guidelines.

And maybe, just MAYBE, they decided they didn’t want any guidelines so they left like babies.

Again..

Since there is no openness or transparency into the UI program..no one knows what the hell is happening.

We’ve all seen what happens when a football program is left out on an island and held with no accountability… The Penn States, the OSU’s…the Miami’s…SMU’s…should have taught people that…

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

Iowa=SMU and PSU?

You’re trying too hard now.

Yes

That’s exactly what’s going on here. KEEP DIGGING!

SomeJerkPoster - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Where is Oliver Stone when we need him?!

This is an Oscar-worth script in the making

Except you know, the thing about Iowa is that their opaqueness, if you will.

Is to protect the privacy of the players. Also Iowa disciplines players the right way. Honestly, don’t be dumb.

Too late for him.

Him already dumb.

Okay, okay.

Using your logic (a stretch), then Coker would NOT have been suspended, DJK would have NOT been suspended, etc.

The schools you mentioned all hid their rule violations. Ferentz kicks them off the team immediately. Enough already, guy.

Except he didn't kick them off the team, well DJK and A-Rob.

The others all chose to leave. There are actions that you take that cause consequences. And maybe those players didn’t want to face up and deal with the consequences.

Agreed.

Good point.

WOOOOOO

It means we’ll win a National Championship, baby!
Well, except for SMU. That just means we’ll produce Craig James. It’s totally not worth it.

Think how fast Craig James would be kicked off if he tried to kill hookers.

Kirk Ferentz for Senative!

Woooooooooo!

This sucks so hard

Nature Boy - January 10, 2012 reply

Lol. Absurdity has reached new level.

Nice disparaging of the young men's characters!!!

At least some of us are shitting on the grown ass coaches, not 18-22 year olds and calling them babies. Good one, bub. Blame the kids that cycle through the program, not the adults that have been running the program going on 13 years.

So blame the coaches that make and enforce the rules?

Not the kids that break the rules and then transfer? Ok got it.

Hey now.

Ferentz is a man. Hell, he’s even older than 40. Go after him.

Yeah, pretty much.

I’d rather criticize the grown men than the teenagers, and calling them pussies and disparaging their characters.

But you go right ahead and call the young men names and say they’re all weak-willed and whatever bad shit you can say about them to keep the coaches from having any blame.

I would love to see where I called them pussies first of all. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

I will admit I called them babies a few times but having been through a similar situation in college myself, I think some of them have handled it poorly. I am not saying that the coaches have no fault, but when they reinstate the players, or say they expect them back on the team, and then the players transfer anyway, it’s a personal choice.

There was a day when almost all of BHGP's interactions were civil and based upon a general respect and a desire not to see this site descend into message board baiting and insults.

Then the run-up to the 2010 season happened.

Meh.

There have always been some insults and baiting.

Maybe not always a lot, but some.

I'm not sure it was the run-up

as much as the 2010 season happened.

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

You may be right.

Seemed like the average IQ here went down 5 points for every loss over the last two years.

Mo' readers mo' problems.

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

Curse of popularity, I guess.

/not hipster’d

It'll all be okay soon, because

It’s Coming!

Marchifornication is knocking on BHGP’s door, and Commissioner Breadman has some fun lined up.

Who will be the first to fall?

Just to get this right, is it the people that disagree with you are the ones

who are stupid?

Yeah, my fault. Someone else called them pussies.

All the NO COACH FAULT people run together.

Again, that is false. Nobody called them pussies,

besides one person saying it sarcastically when they were calling me out too.

They don't add up if you believe they give a shit what FlyingDutchman thinks

Get your head out of the sand, where have you been? They say the same thing every time. Until the player leaves, they release a statement that they expect them back. Until it’s official, it’s not true.

Most of this site...

…seems to write better press releases than the athletic department. I’m glad at least someone is asking something.

Eventually, you have to quit making up Flying Spaghetti Monsters and admit that AIRBHG is KF, and KF is AIRBHG.

AIRBHG is KF, and KF is AIRBHG

AIRBHG is a multi-headed beast. But I do think that the culture of the program is at least partially to blame for running back attrition. Player transfers and dismissals are way, way to high.

Hmmm. It's been said that KF doesn't like his players to have personality.

And in my incomplete memory, we seem to lose mostly RBs WRs and CBs (with a few QBs thrown in). Those tend to be the positions that tend to have flash/attitude and some personalities that might be a little confident in themselves (they kind of need it to play those positions).
Perhaps those attitudes come into conflict with the KF way of doing things.

If that was true

how the hell did DJK make it 4 and 7/8 years?

McNutt has some personality.

So do/did plenty of other players (Mitch King, Matt Roth, Drew Tate, Brad Banks, Angerer, etc).

I don't want to reopen this debate, at all

but are you really trying use DJK as an example of the smooth-sailing a player with “attitude” will experience at Iowa?

What I'm saying is

if KF hates players with personality, why would he have put up with DJK for so long?

/I’m not saying he should have thrown DJK away before the drug bust. I’m just saying I don’t think KF minds personality (particularly with upperclassmen) as long as it isn’t distracting and problematic.

I don't mean to fan the flames...

but DJK may be the reason KF has tightened down the discipline. He may have been burned for the last time with his departure. I think it changed him for good.

I think DJK walked a very fine line during that time

& never quite pushed it far enough to do more than be an irritant. (At least until the 12/10 fiasco, of course.) DJK seems less bull in a china shop than ARob, McCall (mainly for the strait bullshit comment), etc, & more tongue in cheek.

HawkeyeGirleye - January 10, 2012 reply

DJK was in the dog house for 4 and 7/8 years.

McNutt gave up the QB spot (selflessness), and is me-tic-u-lous while working doggedly on the little things so he can be perfect. That’s a KF guy.

Roth was a crazy defender and Norm loved him. King did it KF’s way. Tate was a leader, which KF values. Banks was too awesome to keep off the field, especially after The Future transfered (there’s one of those headcase QBs). Angerer was a KF guy through and through, who worked his ass off for his shot despite several reasons to quit or transfer.
Hell, AC strutted a little on the field too, but he was another shut-your-mouth-and-put-the-work-in guy who toed the official line (he got lost going to southern Iowa to talk to school kids when he didn’t have to for christ sakes).

My point remains.

HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON

You may be on to something.

Dude, when KF said he expected both to be back

well, that was his code word for GONE BABY GONE.

I actually mentioned it to my wife that I didn’t like hearing those words from KF, because last year and the year before he said the same words and those guys all disappeared.

this

from a guy that called me pathetic for not telling the rumor I heard for Coker leaving, regardless of the fact that I don’t know if its true and did want to accuse a young man for something that may or not be fact.

It’s confidential. And it’s none of your fucking business

IAinCA - January 10, 2012 reply

No no no. I just don't understand coming on here and saying you heard a rumor.

And then being like nahh I am not going to tell you.

I was responding to a post

that asked for who was at fault. I stated that it wasn’t KF’s fault and purely Coker’s fault if what I heard was true.

By all accounts Coker has been a valued part of the U of I and out of respect for him and the program I decided not to randomly throw out another rumor/accusation. Call me an attention whore or whatever, that makes me lol actually, but the kid is gone and he ain’t coming back.

IAinCA - January 10, 2012 reply

Well that's not the way it seems to be worded but I apologize.

I get worked up and I was reading through the comments fast.

no worries

we’re all very passionate about Iowa football around here…

At the end of the day, we’re talking about a young man’s life and it shouldn’t begin and end solely with football.

IAinCA - January 10, 2012 reply

At least 2 of the players

Raymon & Grant basically cited homesickness as their reasons for leaving. Hardly a vote against the coaching staff. While we don’t know exactly what the deal is with Coker, it seems (from what I’ve heard and a few I’ve read here) to be a University issue, and not a staff one.

Raymon spoke out against Coach Kaz last month.

Basically saying that if Coach Kaz weren’t around, he’d have stayed in Iowa City, but now he’s got a kid so he can’t come back.

The Mexican't - January 11, 2012 reply

True

though I still crack up a bit at that interview as though he was shocked that he now had a kid

Yeah, I'm glad Coach Kaz is gone

It sounds like he took the hardass thing too far, and I don’t think he really deserves all that much credit for the DL production 2-3 years ago either. Pelini can have him.

Notclevr - January 11, 2012 reply

To be fair

Ferentz is the one getting $3m/yr and the 19 year olds are the ones getting lifelong health problems including brain damage. So Ferentz may or may not be in the right in a given case, but he is NEVER the one who needs looking after.

Notclevr - January 10, 2012 via iPhone app reply

If it was academic dishonesty there is an appeals process

there always is and if he felt he was not guilty of it he could appeal it. What makes this whole thing odd is that it seems increasingly like it was something rare, yet bureaucratic.

He was totally sleeping with his professor to get an advance copy of the final. Oh wait, you said rare.

I'm sure somehow this has to be KOK's fault

Can we list KOK as a RB so AIRBHG will take him out?

KOK IS AIRBGH and this is all his SAW type set-up.

That way he can view it from up-close.

Well, fucking shitcocks.

God titfucking damn it. Balls on fire in Hellfuck. FUCK!

James Woods.

Ooo! Piece of candy!

This is Lickliter's doing. The path to other, worse schools is well worn.

DJK dropping mad wisdom on the twitterverse.

Dolph tried to call him out

and DJK swagged right back at him.

Nevermind. Not Dolph.

TOUCHDOWN IOWA.

What gave it away?

When “Gary Dolphin” demanded answers from the staff and changes?

LOL

Can you link it?

I don’t usually partake in the twitter but would love to read what he had to say.

It's here

https://twitter.com/#!/DJKoulianos

Starting with the “As a RB recruit” post on January 10th.

https://twitter.com/DJKoulianos

Well, shit, that didn't work

AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

that is all

kythom - January 10, 2012 reply

Regardless of who is directly or indirectly at fault for Marcus Coker no longer being a Hawkeye

the larger, much LARGER issue here is that Kirk Ferentz’s program has difficulty managing talent. It’s not that Coker is the last straw or an outlier or that Kirk’s hands were tied or not tied, it is that under his watchful eye players disappear at an alarming rate. Were not talking about players who are sitting on the bench and want playing time, we’re talking about established stars. Hands wiped, move on.

Of course, people make bad decisions all the time, and certainly it appears every player that has evaporated from the roster over the past few years has the same sad story: they exercised poor judgement within an institutional setting that seemingly has very little tolerance for youthful imprudence. It seems extreme to me and is unlike anything I experienced as an undergraduate. If you look at this from up high, institutionally, someone needs to explain this.

When I worked at a university and there was attrition creep (and this would more than qualify for that) we would look student by student at those that left and asked ourselves this question: How did we fail this kid?

I hope KF is asking this question and not just promising some RB more playing time.

I agree that it's alarming but maybe the guys we recruit, that get into some sort of trouble,

just don’t man up to the consequences.

This isn't the NFL though... technically college is a place where you become a man.

So we never got a chance to develop young Marcus into that full fledged adulthood.

My point is if they choose to leave, unless we just start denying their release

to make them into a man, Iowa can’t do that much about it.

That explains one or two...

Well DJK was gone because he only had one game left. Robinson had 2 academic issues

plus marijuana. Coker and Mccall both transferred as far as we know by choice. Wegher we don’t really know, but he has been screwing up everywhere.

Don't forget Jewel, Bailey, Brown, Pugh, Guillroy...

All I'm saying is this is beyond the realm of usual

so it begs for analysis. I doubt KF wants guys leaving at the drop of a hat or guys leading themselves out the door. So look at this with an open mind.

I am, and I realize this is an extreme case of attrition.

I just get worked up by people like flyingdutchman who come in guns ablazing demanding answers about everything.

Good leaders stop these things from continuing. They just do.

And by that do you mean the moderators should stop flyingdutchman

and Ban him? ;)

I don't think we can blame KF for Brown and Guillory.

Didn’t Brown have an assault issue of his own? And didn’t Guillory basically see 2 or 3 RBs ahead of him and decide to leave?

I don't know that "blame" is the right word

or what Stoops has in mind. But there seems to be a systemic problem in Iowa football, where a large number of players are not being failed by those who are in charge. What appears to be troubling is that the coaching staff just rolls along with these repeated punches, and never seems to address the key question: How did we fail this(these) kid(s)?

But did the staff fail guys who did wrong on their own time?

I don’t really know everything that happened yet with Coker. It seems as though KF was pining for him.

I think it is very shitty to blame KF when kids do wrong in their apartments or wherever, and then also blame KF when he does administer disciplinary measures. I think StoopsMyAss has done this (or come very close to it).

I blame Lester Erb!

He was the WR coach when DD and the City Boyz, Inc. went down and has been the RB coach during the worse of AIRBHG. Clearly it’s all his doing!

Actually,

Erb does strike me as kind of disconnected from the players. If you watch the Ferentz Sunday night show, they sometimes show certain coaches working with the players, talking at them, etc. I can’t recall seeing one with Erb.

They edit those shows so you see what they want you to see.

You know that.

Well, if they are hanging out smoking pot

those guys with the pot didn’t just wander into their living rooms.

Sure undergrads might offer players pot, but nobody gets done with a workout and just decides to take one up on it. Those guys are hanging out with people they probably shouldn’t be, and coaches can try to teach them about good decisions.

It wouldn’t work every time, but it’s a start. But maybe they’ve done that already. Who knows?

We honestly don't know what KF's response has been

and likely never will. We just see more guys leaving and no answers.

Yeah right

Every one of these guys were pussies and didnt man up. The sheer volume of transfers and dismissals makes your argument wrong. They can’t manage kids, take it to the NFL coach.

Nature Boy - January 10, 2012 reply

I didn't say they were all pussies, my point is if they choose to transfer, then they choose to transfer.

Guys who are starters and making contributions tend not to look for greener grass

in my experience.

Which starters have transferred though?

I'm not only highlighting transfers. I am focused on evaporations.

well said.

Then recruit better players.

For a team that supposedly values “character” in its players, it sure isn’t getting high-character guys if you’re right.

I really do love this “blame the 18-22 year olds, not the adults” line, though. It’s quite refreshing in a really stupid way.

I wouldn't say they necessarily aren't high character. But they did break team rules,

which are most likely much stricter than most all other schools. Now let’s say McCall for instance broke team rules and got suspended. Nobody believes the rules he broke to be anything that terrible, but if upfront you know the rules and still break them, you have to be held accountable. If McCall then thinks that it was strait bullshit, and transfers that’s his decision. It doesn’t mean he is a bad person, low character or anything like that. Maybe he is just an immature young kid.

Or, as you (or someone else) put it, he's a pussy.

Everyone breaks rules. Especially non-criminal ones. Without an NCAA violation nor a criminal endeavor* (both of which WOULD be on public record at some point), more than a 2-game suspension is not called for. McCall had already served that. If he was going to get suspended for more than a game or two next year, then the punishment was far too harsh for anything he did.

*or just being straight academically-ineligible which would also be found out eventually

But you just proved the point I am trying to make. Kirk said he expected Mccall

to be on the team next year. Did he ever once say that Mccall would be missing games or not have a chance at playing time? Because I do not recall that at all. Maybe McCall thought that he was in the doghouse and decided to leave because of playing, or maybe he wanted to go closer to home, or maybe he just didn’t like the school.

So we believe Ferentz tells the full and complete truth 100% of the time.

I know I don’t.

When did I ever fucking say he told the truth 100% of the time?

You are awesome at spewing bull shit, congratulations.

Bullshit to you. It was absolutely implied.

When you said, “Kirk said…” and then offer no reason why this time would be different than any other, and that one is supposed to accept his statement as truth of his beliefs.

If you don’t believe he tells the truth all of the time then using his statements as a verification, in and of themselves, of something is pointless. You can’t just say “Kirk said…” and act like that makes it something he actually believes without offering some sort of evidence, rationale, etc for why, even though you believe he does NOT tell the truth all the time (as you just implied, except of course, you can say you never said you don’t believe him, because you actually didn’t. you just implied that you don’t think he’s telling the truth), why he is telling the truth this time.

It is funny to me that different people on the “pro-Ferentz” side say that he both never knew either was leaving and that they knew all along.

Has McCall actually transferred? Or is he still "intending" to do so?

I think he was officially granted his release.

Which, to me, would mean he’d have to beg his way back on to the team.

I’d be kind of shocked if KF allowed it, but I guess we can’t say “never.”

No, it means Ferentz is a corrupt power hunger maniac.

And is plotting to destroy the entire University by creating athletes who are morally bankrupt, allowing them to terrorize the utopia of Iowa City as payback for years of reverance.

Having the choice to leave at every opportunity for more pay, better players, and professionals, the Evil Ferentz plotted and manipulatad violent overthrow. He did this by giving the Hawks something to feel good about, winning teams, teams with NFL talent, and a small national presence.

So yes, FlyingDutchman and other conspirists, Kirk Ferentz has finally achieved his goal of tricking everyone into thinking we were good, we had a place, and we actually mattered in soprts. That asshole.

HOORAY FOR STRAWMEN!!!!

If you run a program based on minimizing variance

then you don’t want guys on your team who show they are unpredictable. It’s kind of stupid when you’re talking about a highly unpredictable group like 18-22 year old male college athletes, but I’m sure that’s KF’s NFL mindset at work.

When you get a good group, who also has talent, it’s gangbusters.
When you don’t, it causes a lot of distractions.

I would second this

But may I add, some of these kids were ‘problem’ kids. If someone wants to say they all were, then something is wrong with the recruit evaluation process.

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

Look, in college you have to do everything you can to work with kids. As we used to say

80% of the work is done with 20% of the students.

So true!

Blackheartnopants - January 10, 2012 via Android app reply

my points

Very well said

Though, that it has really happened at one position is strange. We have offensive linemen who survived with “youthful indiscretion”, same with defensive back and defensive line. For some reason running back seems to be hit with an inordinate amount of these incidents.

Still, some sort of evaluation is nescessary and I hope the staff is able to find some answers for this.

KC_HAWKEYE - January 10, 2012 reply

Up above I mentioned a theory, and I'll expand here.

I think some of this has to do with the nature of OL. Those guys practice the same few steps over and over and over, and they rely on their teammates for everything. Their mindset is sort of based on doing their jobs despite not getting a ton of praise or really getting noticed. When they mess up they say “I’ll do better next time” or something and set about doing the same few steps a bunch more times. I’d guess that translates to non-football mess ups as well (in many cases, if not most).
Skill position guys are used to having the spotlight. They make it up as they go and rely on their skills to keep from getting killed. They also take a lot of the blame if a team doesn’t score (rightly or not). I don’t want to blanket “skill players” with one particular mindset, but I could see a lot of these guys having a bit more attitude when they get into trouble, and maybe KF is just used to them taking the blame more squarely for on-field issues, and does the same thing (consciously or not) with off-field issues.

Just a thought to kick around.

Well said.

In my opinion, anyone who doesn’t seriously question the people who run this program are definitely turning a blind eye to the entire situation.

Either Ferentz has ridiculous (and possiblye double) standards or they can no longer evaluate “character” in players.

I think Jess Settles has a couple of years of eligibility left

seriously though i am sad
without informaton your mind wanders
into the ultimate he said she said we said they said
we probabably will never know
like my grandson coming out of the lockeroom at half time the other night
they were down twelve (they have never had that) and his head was on his chest
i told him after the game that if he wanted to give up that soon
he might as well come out of the lockeroom in street clothes
and let someone else play because he surely showed the world
he thought it was over
they got it to six but still lost their first game
We all cherised Mssr. Coker and what he gave us
for that i am thankful and grateful
and if he lurks here please accept my thank you
It is sad it won’t continue, for whatever reason
if anyone else still left on the team reads this
just do your best, there are a lot of us who believe in you
and what you give to the university we all love
albeit in different ways,,,
and you will always hear this frommy lips

GO HAWKS

OhioHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

I'm done with Ferentz

It’s not 1972 anymore, at some point you have to adjust whether you like it or not.

nerdhawk - January 10, 2012 reply

Uhhhh - how is this a Ferentz adjustment issue?

For that matter, how is this a Ferentz issue at all?

......

…there are no words. You can’t be serious.

.....

…there are words. It’s called student code of conduct. In which the athletic director or higher is mostly in charge of what happens

This is a academic issue, not an athletic department one.

KF cleared Coker to return just several days ago. Yes, this is an alarming trend, but there are several instances where the kids chose to leave the program, not the other way around.

Ummm.....

dsludo - January 10, 2012 reply

FERENTZ DIDN'T EVEN COACH IN 1972

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

/nonsensevs.nonsense

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8MzQxz3PYQ

/actions>rec

sailorjerry - January 11, 2012 reply

Smeg.

Smeg indeed. Here’s a clip to express how I feel.

EctoHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

Um. He's saying "merde." It's french for "shit."

I thought you were talking about smegma.

(Be excellent to each other.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsBrd3u1JZw&feature=related

Smeg Part 2.

Here is what I’ll be doing to feel better about this…

EctoHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

ZIGGY PIGGY ZIGGY PIGGY

ZIGGY PIGGY!

It's a drag, but not a huge surprise.

All along, I wondered if Momma wouldn’t pull Marcus back home, for example, though this has the flavor of something expected not happening—for instance, maybe Marcus and KF thought the ‘incident’—whatever it was—would blow over, or be resolved in Marcus’s favor, and then it wasn’t, from the administrations’ POV. This is just rampant speculation, but during the appeals process, they’ll maybe let someone continue in their studies as if nothing occurred, but as soon they lose the appeal, they’re out—bam. I have to wonder if some event did not occur along those lines, which might explain why Marcus was still enrolled…until he wasn’t. We’ll probably never learn the whole story. But it strikes me as incredibly sad.

I truly wish Marcus the best. We’ll be fine as Hawkeyes, one way or another. I only hope Marcus will be, regardless of what allegedly did or did not happen. But I think he’ll land on his feet—his mother will keep him on the straight and narrow, I think! She is not a woman to be trifled with. I would not be surprised to see him playing on the east coast, likely even Maryland or WVA, in a couple of years. He’s still got two years of eligibility, right? Make a 120 mile circle around DC. and that’s where I think he’ll end up, in that circle.

As for next year, it’s going to be the two-headed monster of Canzeri and Johnson, with Garmon SLOWLY coming into play.

Finally, for all those blaming KF—don’t. This was an academic issue, utterly out of his hands. I’m going to give him a pass on this one. I’d even bet that Ferentz strongly wishes Marcus would’ve been able to stay. This is not a DJK situation, fellas.

The Director - January 10, 2012 reply

If he tries to transfer and he was on academic probation or worse

His options will be severely limited.

Wait, everything is changing in this story all over again!

Now there’s word of an ‘assault’ investigation that apparently has gone nowhere, also apparently leaving Marcus rather bitter about the U of I, likely leading to the transfer, none of which seems to have been KF’s fault, but rather the U of I admins’ fault, for those looking for blame.

Crazy day, huh? The narrative is changing pretty quick, who knows what we’ll learn tomorrow, right?

The Director - January 10, 2012 reply

I think that was resolved and is not relevant to his suspension, but likely is relevant to him leaving

I, for one,

welcome our new running back overlords

silkhawk - January 10, 2012 reply

Marcus Coker status

Welp so much for that. It was a good 2 years iowa..best 2 I could of asked for. Thanks again for the support. I really wish I could tell u guys wats goin on cuz its really ridiculous to b punished for somethin I didnt do. Id like to think the coaches and athletic staff for everything. Hawk for life

Hey, look...information!

I hope he keeps talking. If KF is too high and mighty to do so, maybe he will.

If Coker can't talk about it, KF probably can't either.

Just wait.

Once he gets a school to attend, he will. He doesn’t owe Iowa anything.

I didn't say he owes Iowa anything, maybe he just legitimately can't disclose it right now.

I can't imagine why that would be

Unless it were something that somehow would affect his NCAA eligibility and was being covered up. He’s not under scholarship. I guess it could be something involving potential legal action, but there’s no word of that.

"too high and mighty"?

get over yourself.

I think we're employing a football coach.

You obviously think we’re employing a god. I bet I’m right.

What is your deal?

Does your condescending tone not come with an off-switch? Because I have never seen you communicate on this site without one.

ding

Nope, but I bet you're being an ass just for the sake of it, though.

rupertj - January 11, 2012 reply

Well

This doesn’t look so good.

That was talked about before. Like his ex girlfriend lied about it because she was mad at him or some shit.

Oh, thanks for the head's up.

Hadn’t seen it yet. Sorry about that. Ignore.

But it's all speculation so I dont know the real truth. Maybe its legit, just letting you know.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Need to go back through this all again. Blew up between the time I left work and got home.

I was going to reply to someone specific, but I decided against it and decided to share my opinion:

Would you want personal details about your life (i.e. flunking out of school, etc – nothing illegal and part of public record is included) that could cause harm to future opportunities to become personal knowledge?

If EnergizerHawk was expelled from school for [reason redacted], would EnergizerHawk want the general public knowing the reason why? EnergizerHawk says, “Hell, no.”

These students are student-athletes. They are students who happen to play sports at an elite level, as such, they are STILL students. If you are not their mother or other relative, you don’t deserve to know personal details about their life. You might have donated money towards the athletic organization, but that does not justify you knowing details about a student-athlete’s life that should not be personal knowledge. The only times you should ever hear about a student screwing up is if they are your son or daughter, or best friend, etc, OR if you’re a chronic reader of the police blotter OR if you read anything written by P.Harty.

I keep thinking of Nile Kinnick and wondering what he might think about the public perception on the athletes for our fine University. I can’t convince myself that he would say that student-athletes should be on a higher “platform,” so to speak. In fact, if he believed this, then why did he enlist for the armed forces? I believe Kinnick truly epitomized the role of the student-athlete, where Student comes first and comes with all the rights afforded a regular student.

I can’t bring myself to criticize any of the athletes who choose to leave and pursue other opportunities. Yes, I might be disappointed that they might not have reached their potential while with us, but they will always be a Hawkeye in my heart. I will remember the Insight Bowl. I will remember Purdue 2008. I will remember Warren Hollaway. I will remember BJ Armstrong, Chris Street, Kachine Alexander, Vivian Stringer, Dean Oliver, among many others, too numerous to be counted.

Once you’re a Hawkeye, you’re always a Hawkeye. I will bleed Black and Gold, hate OMHR and encourage my future offspring to do the same.

Go Hawks!

EnergizerHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

Thank you, so eloquently worded

Except, you're doing JUST THAT!!!

You’re blaming the players for all of it.

My point is that it's the players decisions. You guys are trying to blame it on Kirk Ferentz

Sometimes people just don’t end up happy where they were. So many people transfer every year, and I am talking non-athletes. I will say I don’t mean to call them babies, my point is that if it is their decision to leave, and if it is because they are mad at KF, then that is their own problem.

But if they were mad at Coach K, then HE'S the problem because he's a dick and not an Iowa guy, yada yada.

or I guess he was free of any wrong-doing, too.

Can you think of ANYTHING that would cause you to question the coaching staff’s handling of these situations?

I would question it if there were mass transfers.

I would also question it if Kirk Ferentz were kicking players off for minor team rules. But that doesn’t appear to be the case, he enforces them with the suspension or what not and then it is up to the player to decide how he wants to handle the situation.

"appear to be the case" - based on what Ferentz says.z

Until players speak up and are told otherwise,

I am not going to become some gung ho conspiracy theorist and accuse everyone but the players that are actually transferring.

And whom is accusing everyone but the players?

Who’s spewing bullshit now?

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

Aaand green.

Easy rec.

Well Spoken

OhioHawk - January 10, 2012 reply

the reasonable people around here are making me give out recs like they're candy

and i’m ok with it

sailorjerry - January 11, 2012 reply

I'm with Stoops.

This has gotten to the point where it seems to be a systemic, institutional issue moreso than a “few bad apples” issue. This needs to be addressed, questions need to be answered, and this epidemic needs to be fixed, immediately. People can bitch all they want about Ferentz’s kajillion dollar salary when it comes to wins & losses, but it’s this kind of stuff where he earns his money – or doesn’t.

HeartOfHawkness - January 10, 2012 reply

It's really becoming just about time to stop watching college sports

This shit is really getting old. I’m very glad that football season is over. That’s about all I can muster right now. Fuck.

therealCatnuts - January 10, 2012 reply

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I don’t even know what to think any more.

check this link from the Des Moines Register

http://hawkcentral.com/2012/01/10/assault-investigation-predates-cokers-suspension/

From the article:

“According to an Iowa City Police Department incident report from Oct. 28, 2011, obtained by an open records request, Coker was the suspect of an assault investigation initiated that day.

According to that report, a woman reported to police that she was the victim of an assault at Coker’s residence, 618 Iowa Ave. The alleged assault took place sometime between 1:15-1:30 p.m. on Oct. 28.

The circumstances surrounding the assault are not detailed in the report, but it does note that the responding officer was dispatched to the University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics for a sexual assault."

StrandedinIndiana - January 10, 2012 reply

An "Accused of sex crime and you're out of here" clause

Instituted after the last episode?

Norm Parker's Amputated Toes - January 10, 2012 reply

It occurs to me

at what point does this stop being a really irritating and debilitating personnel issue and start becoming one where it’s causing the team APR score drops near 925? I know we’re not that close right now, but won’t Coker be counted against us for another 3 years and McCall for 4? We’re still paying for the ghosts of RBs past as well.

We're gonna get on Oversigning.com for a single position

therealCatnuts - January 10, 2012 reply

If they transfer to another 4 year institution, they can get the point back.

So Jewel, and hopefully Coker and McCall won’t hurt us.

I did not know that

good to know, thanks

chitownhawkeye - January 11, 2012 reply

I would imagine might get an adjustment, since it seems like he is transferring in good academic standing

Wait a second....

Where have you been? He is being expelled for allegedly either taking a test for or cheating off of another student during an exam.

Is that good academic standing? Sorry to be a jerk, but I think that’s bad academic standing.

Wuh?

Read some more.

nhradar - January 10, 2012 reply

He's not being expelled.

He withdrew from classes.

Notably absent from this post: Facts.

Yep. You're right.....BUT

We played AT Minnesota (thank god), at 2:30 pm on Saturday, October 29th at 2:30 pm. I think we can all agree we saw Marcus Coker in Minneapolis despite Ken O’Keefes relentless attempts (successfully) to eliminate him from the game when we needed a touchdown.

Wouldn’t the team be leaving, getting ready to leave, or already have left for a game that kicked off 13 hours later?

And I am NOT doing anything other than asking a question before I begin to pass judgement or form an opinion. As a matter of just basic operations, what time would the team leave? They spend the night in Cedar Rapids for home games, so what time would they leave for a game in Minneapolis? Before 1:00? After? It’s only a few hours away, so they might not leave until late afternoon. Again, just curious before I start freaking out.

Captain n Diet Coker - January 11, 2012 reply

The timeline seemed very weird to me too

Which very well could have played in a role in why there were no charges (just pure speculation). Also, the team landed in Minneapolis around I think 7:30 that night (the video coordinator posted a picture of the Hawks landing that night on Twitter). Don’t know what time the team would have to meet up, take the bus to the airport, etc, but that’s a pretty slim timeframe and a strange time for something to go down. Not that I’ve never partaken in a little afternoon delight (and I’m not calling this situation a ‘delight’ by any means), it’s just weird in this instance and not typical of an assault if there was one.

If you start at kickoff and work backwards

…well I did last night because I’m sick in the head. And I ended up with the team leaving or meeting at around 1:00 pm on Friday. Which is 90% me making the pieces fit into place as I hope they do and not as they actually did.

Either way it’s not good, if you own a flux capacitor or not.

hawkinsandmelrose - January 11, 2012 reply

Hasa Diga AIRBHG.

/bookofmormon’d

LOL

Fuck you, AIRBGH, in the ass, mouth, and cunt-a
Hasa diga eebowai!

FUCK YOU IN THE EYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3i_4NML1fw

To those confused:

WARNING: contains extremely offensive content. TOTES NSFW.

People may say this doesn't work because athletes are different than the students.

But the Attrition rate for students is 24 percent. I would venture to guess that Iowa’s football team is well less than 25 percent. I think it is just such a crazy deal because they are all running backs and I have no real explanation for it. I’m sure not to this extent, but I would bet that running back and QB are 2 of the higher positions of attrition. Seeing as, often times, those positions are filled with prima donna players. That’s just one theory and maybe its a systemic issue, but I don’t think it’s there yet.

And injuries are going to be higher for RBs, as they take hits more than most positions?

I would have thought WR was higher up than QB or RB on the “prima donna player” ranking. And I haven’t even mentioned the worst position for that (fucking punters!?!)

Ahh true I forgot about WR's. Well my point remains that a lot of running backs

want to be THE GUY

I mentioned that too.

Glad I’m not Lone Wolf on that.

Aaaaaaaaaand now it's looking like DL recruit Jaleel Johnson is having second thoughts.

LINKY

At this point, who wouldn't?

I saw it too, but it seems odd for a DT to be worried about the program with RBs leaving.

Especially since there’s probably a good chance he could make a phone call and get the news if he wanted it.

Yes. It begs a lot of questions.

On the other hand,

is there any position with more ready-made playing time within a year or two than D Line?

You mean aside from RB?

Probably not.

And, we still allegedly have a couple of RBs,

plus Brad Rogers (he’s not a senior yet, right?)

Well, the addition of no defensive coordinator probably adds a little sumtin'-sumtin'

He's a bad kid.

I like you, Tyger, but you seem really riled up tonight.

Everything ok?

SomeJerkPoster - January 11, 2012 reply

I think you're missing tyger's rather dark humor

in that, whenever a player leaves/decommits he immediately becomes, to a segment of the fanbase, a bad kid with “character issues” and we’re better off without him (and he wasn’t any good anyway).

I didn't see anyone saying that on this thread.

Certainly more prevalent on other Iowa message boards

but posters calling transferees “babies” does not a ringing personal endorsement make. Plus, there have been a couple of people in this thread (a very small percentage to be sure) that seem to take the attitude of “well, he got in trouble/suspended, ipso facto, he must be a bad kid>”

I feel like this program is trying to walk up the steep part of a sand bunker.

Ever since the Orange Bowl, we haven’t found a solid footing.

hopefully garmon gets the nod and becomes a 3-4 yr starter

if he does, he will become iowas 4th starting running back since shonn greene in 08-09 i believe. not counting canzeri and paki. coker is maybe the last guy i would expect to get in trouble. airbhg is one tricky bleeping son of a gun!

lmlions21 - January 10, 2012 reply

Just... Sadface.

Bungs - January 11, 2012 reply

BUNGS!

It is I, the Bungs you are probably thinking of.

Bungs - January 11, 2012 reply

KF has often said his primary job is to develop these kids into men.

I have no problem with a tight run ship. Not enough of this these days. We overindulge today’s youth – especially athletes. If this keeps us as a mid tier football program then so be it. Real integrity (not the fOSU type) is rare these days.

FiveSecondRuleChef - January 11, 2012 via mobile reply

Don't understand the timeline here.

IF Coker’s suspension and departure were a result of the sexual assault allegations and investigation in late October, why did it take two months from the date of the alleged incident for him to be suspended? Did it take that long for the disciplinary process to play out through the Unviersity and the Athletic Department? Perhaps they took several weeks to conduct their own investigation and sat on it until the end of the year/term. After the Pierre Pierce and Cedric Everson fiascos, I would understand and expect the University’s serious, deliberate, and thorough treatment of such a matter…but I also would have expected Coker to be suspended while the investigation was ongiong.

Based on Coker’s comments, it sounds like if it were up to him, he would still be a Hawkeye, and he’s not leaving by his own choice. This leads me to believe that he was suspended form the University for academic or disciplinary reasons, and he decided that he needed to move on in order to continue his education, rather than sit around in limbo for a semester or longer, waiting for re-admission.

We’ll miss you Werewolf. Sorry it didn’t work out here. Thanks for the past two years, and good luck.

RazorHawk - January 11, 2012 reply

Reading between all the lines

My sense is that his suspension was for academic “misconduct” and his subsequent reinstatement hit a snag on the bureaucratic/administrative side of things (not the AD or coaches).

That's weird

my message double-posted, and didn’t include all my non-subject line typing.

Short of it, it appears as if Coker’s suspension was for academic “misconduct” and there was a snag in the reinstatement process on the administrative/bureaucratic side of things (not the AD’s office or the coaches).

Maybe you're right. As I said, the timeline for the assault investigation just didn't make sense.

But to have that followed up by an academic misconduct accusation (if that is indeed what happened)…well, that’s just a shitty semester. Would be miserable enough being accused of incident #1, followed by a loss to (barf) Minnesota.

Werewolves are often misunderstood, as we have learned from Teen Wolf and the Twilight saga. Best go back to hunting vampires, howling at the moon, and gazing at the stars.

RazorHawk - January 11, 2012 reply

Is it possible that

the same person (a female) who accused him of the assault, then may have accused him of or expose the possible academic issues when the assault case never went anywhere?

Basically, what I’m asking: Is Brittney Mears up to the same old shit?

And yes, my comment was complete speculation, but was meant mostly as a joke

so please, nobody cite it as an “inside source”, and please don’t ban me for disparaging someone’s honor.